Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Micro/Small Stakes)

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hey BBB, can you make a comment on how often you see the checkraise-trap play online vs how often you see it live? How often do you see it and what handrange they're often doing it from in a live low limit game.

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hey BBB, can you make a comment on how often you see the checkraise-trap play online vs how often you see it live? How often do you see it and what handrange they're often doing it from in a live low limit game.

hi nerdking, not sure what you mean? i was just referring to the fact that the guy should have checked to the pf3bettor, since the pf3bettor tends to bet close to 100% of flops in these online games

I realize that a PF3bettor will be betting 100 percent of flops, generally and that donking into him is 100 percent stupid. In the video you say that his range were he to checkraise-trap would have included TP+OESD but in my experience that's the bottom of most people's CR-trapping range. I generally see 2 pair or better hands when I see the trap play deployed. Furthermore, this video series is also designed to prepare the DC members for live play and I rarely see the CR-trap play employed live. You have more experience in a live setting and I thought you might have more information to contribute.

I realize that a PF3bettor will be betting 100 percent of flops, generally and that donking into him is 100 percent stupid. In the video you say that his range were he to checkraise-trap would have included TP+OESD but in my experience that's the bottom of most people's CR-trapping range. I generally see 2 pair or better hands when I see the trap play deployed. Furthermore, this video series is also designed to prepare the DC members for live play and I rarely see the CR-trap play employed live. You have more experience in a live setting and I thought you might have more information to contribute.

ah okay, sure.

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certainly when guys coldcall pf then cr this flop mw they're going to be pretty strong, and even moreso live than online because just in general live games are more passive and nitty/musby than the online games. so you're right that live this would be more likely to be weighted toward the stronger end of the spectrum ie sets and straights, and less likely to be pair+draw type of combos. online, it's probably moreso in the middle, with a lot of those things being checkraised.

online in an aggro game, some of these hands would be 3bet pf instead of coldcalled (ie 66, sometimes 98s), whereas live mostly coldcalled if we're talking about a typical midstakes game with typical midstakes regs, say 20/40 or 30/60 in vegas with guys that are generally kinda tight, kinda nitty, but still overall in general miss value and misplay their hands and limp and coldcall a bit too much pf.

also something else folks do live more often than online is donk into the pfr/pf3b. the reasons for this are that the games are more aggro online and most people reasonably expect the pfr to bet a huge proportion of the time and they can then spring the checkraise. live, guys are more passive and while they might raise KK pf, they for some reason won't cbet it on an A33 board, or won't cbet AK on a brick flop mw, or won't cbet TT on a JJ5 or what have you. so guys are aware of that to an extent and tend to bet their hands more often. there's also somewhat of the 'find out where you're at' mentality because a lot of guys in these live games are really afraid of losing big pots for whatever reason.

i can't tell you how many times i valuetown myself live with like 99 vs bigger overpairs in live 20/40s where i 3bet it pf, they donk the 223 flop, i raise and bet it down and turn over my rightful nuts and get shown JJ-KK then they bust out the gravelly voice 'OH I PUTCHA ON ACES KID'

anyway that was a tangent but i typed it now so i'm gonna leave it.

one other thing to keep in mind is that as much as we lol at guys online who try to cc cr big hands, that's even more prevalent in live play. so seeing a flop cr from a regular at those live games would actually miff me a little bit just because it's often not the tops of their ranges cuz they're waiting for the turn with that to 'trap the internet kid'

all that being said, it depends on your opponent. my buddies tell me a lot of games right now out in vegas like 50/100 are filled with internet players and so are playing pretty much just like internet games. so it's useful to know if your opp is young and german () or older and american, and so on!

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22 top left and we get donked into on the turn

953, Q

Now that we are to the turn with deuces, I kinda want to FSDR his donk cause f-him, we have ducks.

just me.

22 top left and we get donked into on the turn

953, Q

Now that we are to the turn with deuces, I kinda want to FSDR his donk cause f-him, we have ducks.

just me.

i think if i'm gonna put in 2 more bets i would prefer to let him keep barreling for the times he isn't there yet/ doesn't get there

i guess we could raise turn more as a bluff? i dunno that this guy is foldy tho; imo he isn't. then we might put in another bet on some rivs and all of a sudden it's a lot of bets for two lil quacks

pretty illustrative hand imo of how a pf decision gone awry leads to lots of silliness!

What's our turn raising range verse his donk? Does everything see SD that raises?

just thoughts.

I'll raise this hand from CO or button, but this early into the session I'm not raising 22 from this early of a position. I just don't have that good an idea of the players around me to start pulling shenanigans just yet.

What's our turn raising range verse his donk? Does everything see SD that raises?

just thoughts.

ya that's what i'm not sure of, but i don't really trust these 50/20 guys or whatever he was to really fold anything, so i want my raises to be for pure value and not really for bluffs or fsds

so my turn raising range would be (assuming i didnt raise the flop) probably good nines and better

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BBB,

In the hand where you opened AQ and got 3 bet by a nit and capped by a laggy guy (and lol the bb then called 3 cold) you never even mentioned the fact that you might consider folding preflop. AQo is the sort of hand that is going to just get devastated post flop in a spot like that. Did you even consider it? What's the worst offsuit ace you would have considered folding there?

BBB,

In the hand where you opened AQ and got 3 bet by a nit and capped by a laggy guy (and lol the bb then called 3 cold) you never even mentioned the fact that you might consider folding preflop. AQo is the sort of hand that is going to just get devastated post flop in a spot like that. Did you even consider it? What's the worst offsuit ace you would have considered folding there?

any timestamp? i can't find the hand right now but from the way you describe it it sounds like a definte call preflop. i think it'd be closer if it were just 3handed no matter how supernitty the one guy is, since the lag is providing overlay. but once a dude just calls 3 cold it's free monies for me!

3handed (i might be a bit off on their ranges):
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,510,221,338 games 20.890 secs 550,991,926 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.564% 21.72% 04.85% 2499825542 557722481.83 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 43.426% 38.92% 04.51% 4479692690 518725076.83 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 30.010% 28.42% 01.59% 3271700112 182555435.33 { 55+, A5s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }


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i can't tell from your description but am i in position? that would matter some. it sounds like i'm not.


4handed: again the ranges might be a bit off but are definitely going to be useful for our purposes. i have decent relative position either way. if the lag is psycholag 80/40 vs just random loose guy that would matter, and if the nit is 9/5 or just regular tight tag 14/10 that matters too. also the call-3-guy matters

INTERRUPTED! Enumerate All equities unreliable, use Monte Carlo

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,660,273,696 games 17.578 secs 322,008,971 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.189% 24.61% 01.58% 1393173673 89206089.75 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 19.539% 18.74% 00.80% 1060843972 45120797.58 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 27.639% 27.05% 00.59% 1531270541 33197517.75 { 55+, A5s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 3: 26.632% 24.90% 01.74% 1409140466 98320638.92 { QQ+, TT-22, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AJo+, KQo }

any timestamp? i can't find the hand right now but from the way you describe it it sounds like a definte call preflop. i think it'd be closer if it were just 3handed no matter how supernitty the one guy is, since the lag is providing overlay. but once a dude just calls 3 cold it's free monies for me!

3handed (i might be a bit off on their ranges):
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,510,221,338 games 20.890 secs 550,991,926 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.564% 21.72% 04.85% 2499825542 557722481.83 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 43.426% 38.92% 04.51% 4479692690 518725076.83 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 30.010% 28.42% 01.59% 3271700112 182555435.33 { 55+, A5s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }


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i can't tell from your description but am i in position? that would matter some. it sounds like i'm not.


4handed: again the ranges might be a bit off but are definitely going to be useful for our purposes. i have decent relative position either way. if the lag is psycholag 80/40 vs just random loose guy that would matter, and if the nit is 9/5 or just regular tight tag 14/10 that matters too. also the call-3-guy matters

INTERRUPTED! Enumerate All equities unreliable, use Monte Carlo

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,660,273,696 games 17.578 secs 322,008,971 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.189% 24.61% 01.58% 1393173673 89206089.75 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 19.539% 18.74% 00.80% 1060843972 45120797.58 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 27.639% 27.05% 00.59% 1531270541 33197517.75 { 55+, A5s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 3: 26.632% 24.90% 01.74% 1409140466 98320638.92 { QQ+, TT-22, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AJo+, KQo }

I just feel like this is a spot where preflop equity doesn't really help us much do to massive RIO problems.