Poker Video: MTT/SNG by vandweller (Mid Stakes)

Thanks for more SNG content. Nicely done.

ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

I <3 The VAN (again)....I really want to get better at these, and even though I apparently made a vid on them a month ago I still would like to see some more...professional...content , plus Van's vids are amazing

Time Link to 00:07:19

holy shit!!!

I never mentioned my HUD stats. Nothing too fancy, but...

VPIP / PFR / # Hands
Raise 1st-in from SB / Raise 1st-in from BTN / Fold BB to Steal

I like to use the two "raise first-in" stats as opposed to the "Steal %" stat, because that stat blends various positions, but you can very often find players who know to shove loosely in the SB, who otherwise shutdown on the BTN. I like to know who those guys are.

Sometimes, I'll see a guy with both "Fold BB to Steal" and "Fold SB to Steal", but I don't find that players act significantly differently stylistically. If a guy has a certain number in the BB, I can generally assume he'll be slightly tighter in the SB. So I don't bother cluttering the screen with the two stats.

I don't see a need in these for many more stats than that.

Van....

Thanks for giving us the lowdown on your HUD stats. I have been trying different combos, while trying to keep it simple. I like your set up and will give it a shot.

Van - Sorry to hear you running so bad @ life. First the surgery, and then you get hacked. WTF? Anyway, we are pulling for you!!

Quick question on ROI - What do you expect to be able to achieve in these games over the long haul? It looks like you were down about a BI in this session before rakeback? I havent watched 100% yet, so if its in there, I apologize in advance!

Van - Sorry to hear you running so bad @ life. First the surgery, and then you get hacked. WTF? Anyway, we are pulling for you!!

Quick question on ROI - What do you expect to be able to achieve in these games over the long haul? It looks like you were down about a BI in this session before rakeback? I havent watched 100% yet, so if its in there, I apologize in advance!

Seriously, this has been a pretty crappy year.

I haven't done an exhaustive inventory of what is currently being achieved, but my limited amount of donking around on Sharkscope, my experience playing several thousand of these, and my general intuition leads me to think that winrates around going to be roughly 50% to 60% of winrates at turbo SNGs at comparable stakes.

be prepared for some swings, just had one :

went from +70 to -36 to +73 in less than 100 games
and frankly sometimes it is tuff when you are multitabling 10 tables and for a whole session nothing seems to hold up

for like 50 games I run super hot pf (like 99+ and AJs+ a lot) and either ran into walls or nothing would hold up

then for the next 50 games I would suck out big time or get super lucky (best one was AA raised UTG called 3 times on the second hand of tourney ...and holding)

In your attempt to answer "which hand should I shove from which position" you gave us a formula. The number of spots away from the big blind x number of bb's in your stack, and take the number you get and equate that to a hand. In one of your examples, you were 5 spots away with 5 big blinds so you got 25. You said that would be 3-3 or 4-4 but not 2-2. How do you come up with a hand based on a two-digit number such as 25? In another example, you got the number 35 with 10 big blinds (early in the SNG), and in my estimation, shoving a 35 hand (whatever hand that may be) seems too wide. I don't know... I'm just confused after hearing about this formula.

nice video it's so hectic to even watch! you should seriously read what the pop up says after you've busted from an SNG though... would save you a lot of clicking

Time Link to 00:34:47

KJo upper right.

Do you ever stop 'n go in these spots? Would seem like an ok spot for it.

KJo upper right.

Do you ever stop 'n go in these spots? Would seem like an ok spot for it.

Absolutely I do. In that spot though I think my hand did well enough hot and cold, given the dead money in the pot, to make simply getting all-in preflop +EV, but it could very well be that a stop-and-go would be even more so.

Overall, in STs as opposed to deeper formats, you find yourself in many more spots where it is appropriate to limp-and-go and stop-and-go.

These are plays that I make in response to that "Do I have fold equity and does it matter?" question I talked about. In this case, I didn't have fold equity preflop but given my hand and the dead money, it didn't matter so I went all-in anyway (or tried to at least :-)). If I'd had worse (but still robust) cards, my lack of fold equity *would* have mattered and I could have tried to manufacture some fold equity to add value to my hand.

nice video it's so hectic to even watch! you should seriously read what the pop up says after you've busted from an SNG though... would save you a lot of clicking

You are absolutely right. Years of playing SNGs online has trained me to pretty much click "Close" after I bust out and whatever dialog box pops up. Thanks for setting me straight.

In your attempt to answer "which hand should I shove from which position" you gave us a formula. The number of spots away from the big blind x number of bb's in your stack, and take the number you get and equate that to a hand. In one of your examples, you were 5 spots away with 5 big blinds so you got 25. You said that would be 3-3 or 4-4 but not 2-2. How do you come up with a hand based on a two-digit number such as 25? In another example, you got the number 35 with 10 big blinds (early in the SNG), and in my estimation, shoving a 35 hand (whatever hand that may be) seems too wide. I don't know... I'm just confused after hearing about this formula.

It's a pretty complex topic I tried to bring up with too little time and too many distractions to properly explain it. I have some things to do today, but I'll try and come back to this post soon. Otherwise, there is a whole video down the line where this whole thing is fleshed out in a way that makes sense.

be prepared for some swings, just had one :

went from +70 to -36 to +73 in less than 100 games
and frankly sometimes it is tuff when you are multitabling 10 tables and for a whole session nothing seems to hold up

for like 50 games I run super hot pf (like 99+ and AJs+ a lot) and either ran into walls or nothing would hold up

then for the next 50 games I would suck out big time or get super lucky (best one was AA raised UTG called 3 times on the second hand of tourney ...and holding)

Stop keeping track of your suckouts, for or against you, and make sure you are extra bankrolled. That's the only answer.

holy shit!!!

???

???

I think maybe she is referring to your comments about the rakeback that you are making. That is all I can come up with.

yes I meant about the rakeback ^.^ I make about $9 a week from rakeback so yours was 'holy shit!!!!' material

yes I meant about the rakeback ^.^ I make about $9 a week from rakeback so yours was 'holy shit!!!!' material

Get yourself $3000 bankroll and make $13.50 per hour in rakeback. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

I think I have ADD now just from watching this video, lol. Good discussion though, I definitely learned from it. These might work better if you pre-recorded a video and then talked while playing it back, that way you can focus and not have to keep jumping back and forth.

I'm interested to hear if you have any brief thoughts on how to adjust your strategy for superturbo MTTs. These seem to be incredibly soft from what I can tell.

Liked the video, but I really like your more advanced theory vids better. While I loved the vid and it was good we didnt really define ranges or anything.

Although watching you definitely helped my game, I think I just got WAY to shove happy when I was playing these a while back.

Liked the video, but I really like your more advanced theory vids better.

I agree with you...I like theory videos better, too.

Just to give you some perspective though...making a live play video takes about 60-90 minutes. By contrast, producing a theory video (according to my standards anyway) takes about twenty hours per one hour of run time. Truly a labor of love, to say the least.

This video was really helpful by showing me there's times you just don't shove and better usage of the hud.

why are we folding QJs OTB?

why are we folding QJs OTB?

Yeah that was a miss. I got a bit wrapped up in discussing general concepts a little at the expense of the quality of my actual play. Next video is going to be some replayer hands so it will be hands, hands, hands, for all you hands freaks.

If you have any hands you'd like me to cover, shoot me a PM.

Hands.

Hi 1st post. I have a few points.
I haven't watched this video yet but I've listened to it!
I think this might be the best way as the general comments
more or less stand alone , and the table action sometimes
gets in the way. I'll watch the vid tomorrow for the hand play.
Wrt to HU stats I think a 'limp' stat can be quite useful as
it shows the weaker players quite quickly (also good for seeing
who will call shoves incorrectly as they tend to go together)
On the limping theme I've seen on a site that limping AA or KK
(only these)can be quite effective as players are pushing behind
you so often , what do you think about this.? Seems to have worked
a lot when I've tried it.
Anyway great vid and any chance of a DON sng vid?

It's a pretty complex topic I tried to bring up with too little time and too many distractions to properly explain it. I have some things to do today, but I'll try and come back to this post soon. Otherwise, there is a whole video down the line where this whole thing is fleshed out in a way that makes sense.

Van, interesting formula. I'm not sure about how you derived it, but I'm curious about it as well.

Maybe I have a poor estimation of what standard calling ranges are like in these spots, but in the decent calling ranges that i quickly tried out in stove, from a purely chip equity standpoint there is minimal differences (2-3% total difference in equity when called from 22-77) in most the ranges that I tried except facing calling ranges including a lot of Ax hands (but the equity was already a few points higher here than vs tighter and better calling ranges).

I have not worked with many SNG tools so this doesn't account for ICM or other sng considerations, but it seems like your rule might be "discriminating," for lack of a better word, against small pp's. But then again I play mostly cash so... I could be totally off base here. Looking forward to your follow up post on it!

I know this video has been out for a while, but I was rewatching it and there is a hand that bugs me. The 66 hand at about 9:30 where you run into QQ. In the video, you (Vandweller) state the shove is close. I think this is a turbo shove without even thinking about it. I'm curious why you think it's close.

I know this video has been out for a while, but I was rewatching it and there is a hand that bugs me. The 66 hand at about 9:30 where you run into QQ. In the video, you (Vandweller) state the shove is close. I think this is a turbo shove without even thinking about it. I'm curious why you think it's close.

I'm not exactly sure why I would have said that it was close, when it's a trivially easy shove. I'm pretty far removed from that vid, so the only thing I can think of that I might have meant was that it's close to the bottom of the range of pairs that you shove there. Depending on the looseness or tightness of your opponents your lowest pair would be 33 or 44. That's all I can think of. More likely, it was just a mental logjam as a result of multitasking. My bad.

Nice video Van, i really like your colour coding system!
It's a simple thing but really helps to see where you're at when multitabling, thanks for the tip.

It's very interesting what you have to say about the variance.

To me it seems you are pushing quite tight. I tend to push any2 from the SB once blinds are up to 40 and I have under 300 chips. Is that not advisable?

I've just signed up here on DC to have a look around. Are there any more superturbo videos around? I can't seem to find any.

I'm surprised you couldn't work out that all you need to do to keep new games coming up is to tick the box that closes the game that is over and just press yes to open up another. The system on FT is acceptable for that without too much help of tools.

Thanks

YO VAN,

I did see this video a view months ago. But i opend a account on FTPthis week. And want to start grinding superturbos. So i watched this vid again

Im also playing the $2,2 180turbos on stars. That went quite well. But i do prefer shorter grinding games.

I do like you video en the lots of tips.

Like the backgroundcolor, and not title the tables(what iam doing now on stars). And my screen dont have a high resolution. It onley fits 9 tiny tables

The pocketpair pushing theory is pretty sweat. Mayby this can in your book.

How is it btw with your book?Because im realy looking forward for it.

Hope RL is better now these days. And sorry for my bad english

Cya GL

Spoon

Ok i tried it It went pretty well. But i realy need some kind of auto fulltilt shortcut. It freaking hot clicking tables away and register 2 another one.

The the lobby/ftlobby pops up everytime. Any ideas for this?

Btw its alot of fun. And a lot of limpers. Limping in my BB kinda sucks btw.

Another question: Does anyone know how the rakeback works at FTP? Cant find anything on their site.

The the lobby/ftlobby pops up everytime. Any ideas for this?

Take the checkbox off from Options -> Bring Lobby To front.

Another question: Does anyone know how the rakeback works at FTP? Cant find anything on their site.

If you have registered through a affiliate, the affiliate's web site should give the information about rakeback to you. If you have signed through some friend referring you, you have been completely screwed. If you have signed through some affiliate that does not offer rakeback to you, you have been completely screwed. If you have signed in through Full Tilt Poker without any affiliate, you can get rakeback through rakebackpros.com (send an email and wait).

Lol i was reading screwed...screwed... But signed through FTP without any affiliate. So i send a mail to them.

Gonna try the checkox off now.

Thanks for helping

Van you never explained those ranges.

Any chance for a 6max super turbos or 6max hyper turbo sats in a future instalment?

any chance on getting a link to the script that changes the table colors?

Time Link to 00:24:04

Top right with QK. Would it be better to fold the hand and wait until the short stack gets knocked out by the chip leader since the short stack has less than 2bb left? Or would a push be more +EV since you'll have a good chance of knocking the short stack out of the tournament?

Time Link to 00:33:25

Bottom left table shoving with T5. I know in early stages of the game the shoving ranges are 9J, K8, Ax and that in later stages you loosen up. I was wondering what would the shoving range under that stage of the game with a big chip stack be. Thanks for helping out!

At least we established that it wasnt the payout structure that effected variance. Epic 15 min lecture on the exact same point.