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Pr1nnyraiding 3: Episode Five

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Pr1nnyraiding 3: Episode Five by KRANTZ, WiltOnTilt

KRANTZ and WiltOnTilt have some live play recorded with 2-tables of $10/20 Heads Up NLHE.

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Krantz and Wilt are finally back with the long awaited conclusion to the pr1nnyraiding trilogy! Join them as they revisit the previous series' and update them for 2011. Then, learn a new way of conceptualizing all the different strategies you'll need to know to conquer any type of player. Note: Many buffalo died to bring you this information.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: High Stakes
  • 63 minutes long
  • Posted 9 months ago

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SnappieVouz

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Is this series also good for microstakes HU donks like me?

Posted about 1 year ago

jaimestaples

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Time Link to 00:31:32

Tell me if my thought process is off here but im thinking that smaller on the river would be better against a thinking player because you would want calls from 10x and jx if you had a legit value hand. I would think he would know that you know that it is a draw heavy board therefore you would bet smaller for value with your top pair and straights hoping to get calls with pair/draw combos and jacks, also to possibly induce raises while holding a straight. I guess against a basic opponent bigger would be better because he is not going to understand how your range narrows with your bet sizing and fold alot of pairs. Is my though process correct here?

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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Is this series also good for microstakes HU donks like me?




it's good for anyone who wants to know how to think about poker

Posted about 1 year ago

SnappieVouz

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it's good for anyone who wants to know how to think about poker



Sure. But some things might be to advanced to really use at, let say, 20nl microstakes. Its the same as coaches saying that you can easily watch a midstakes video while playing the micros, while guys like Grindcore openly admit in the forum that his series shouldn't be watched before having a very good grasp on the fundaments of poker.

So i wonder where this series lays. Fundamental HU or.. more advanced, or both..but more towards advanced... both..more towards fundamental?

Good luck with all the trouble you are having Wilt, by the way

Posted about 1 year ago

jaimestaples

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+1 to snappie. Hope everything works out for ya WOT

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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Tell me if my thought process is off here but im thinking that smaller on the river would be better against a thinking player because you would want calls from 10x and jx if you had a legit value hand. I would think he would know that you know that it is a draw heavy board therefore you would bet smaller for value with your top pair and straights hoping to get calls with pair/draw combos and jacks, also to possibly induce raises while holding a straight. I guess against a basic opponent bigger would be better because he is not going to understand how your range narrows with your bet sizing and fold alot of pairs. Is my though process correct here?



This is a great instance of a spot where we have to decide how balanced we want to be and how exploitable we want to be. Vs many players, shipping here as a bluff yet betting smaller for value is probably optimal. Vs very tough opponents, we probably can get away with shipping here for thin value as well. We just have to figure out what level they are on and adjust accordingly. I can definitely see myself shipping some hand like AJ or Q9 here vs some very tough opponents.

Posted about 1 year ago

jaimestaples

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Time Link to 00:16:03

When you guys discuss villain's flopraise with KQhh on Ah42, you say you don't like it.
What about when your opponent (hero in this case) is aggro, meaning he will doublebarrel a lot. Would you call the turn again with Khigh?
If not, doesn't raising the flop become pretty good then? it prevents from getting bluffed on the turn, and even if hero decides to call with a pair or a PP, KQ has a lot out outs including 2backdoors + it opens up value raises with Ax. It just makes it harder for hero to get to showdown with weak hands.

Posted about 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:27:22

T1 the hand on the all spades board - would we go c/r, bet turn, bet river with the Q high flush for value?

Also, how many suited Kx are we calling with oop?

Posted about 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:29:58

T1 with the K3dd- you wouln't be cbetting AK/AQ on that board vs that guy?

Posted about 1 year ago

Saibot

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Cool video!

Got a question.
Time: 18.00
Hand: Q2s

Do you think there is any merit in CR shoving the turn?
When you CC the turn you obv. got some kind of showdown value. Imo pretty
weigted towards Qx. It seems ambitious for villain to try bluffing you of, of Qx with
the KQ/96s in mind. IE: I would expect that he probably expect you to in general call pretty light.

Based on all the draws villain can have in he's range + all the rivercards where
we will be forced to maybe fold the best hand.
+ The assumption that villain not necessarily is going to shove non-scare river cards
with he's bluffs.
I am considering whether a turn CR shove is better than a turn CC

It is of course very dependent on how often we expect villain to follow through
with he's bluffs on "safe" river-cards.
- And maybe I am just a bit more pessimictic with regards to villains river-bluff tendencies
than you

Would appreciate to hear your thougts about this.

Posted about 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:57:21

T2 - what bluffs do you rep when you overbet there? Does the overbet in that spot allow you to rep more bluffs than a normal sized bet?

Posted about 1 year ago

blaze2007

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When the Q hits I immediately thought he will show up alot with a Q here and check back. What do you think about leading out the river, repping Ax and let a Q fold. Or do you think that early in the match any Qx will call you down a lot for information aswell? Or did you just checked, because you thought he can still have Ax here a lot of times?

Posted about 1 year ago

marcel23

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Can you take the same lines in a micro/lower stakes?
Can you sweat a micro/ lower stake game for us?
Im assuming most viewers arent playing 2k$ pots.

Posted about 1 year ago

danndann1

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Time Link to 00:40:38

if
1) he doesnt have Ahi in his turn ck/calling range
2) he folds all but q+

then you have to bet like 290 to break even on ur bluffs (which is kinda lol obv) because 71% of the time he wouldnt fold:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
498 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 6Diamond6HeartqClub9Spade2Spade
jj 28.92% (144 wins, 0 ties)
kq, qj, qt, q8, A6, K6s, 66, 56s, 67s, 68s, 77, 88, A9 71.08% (354 wins, 0 ties)
pls correct me if im wrong

Posted about 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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When you guys discuss villain's flopraise with KQhh on Ah42, you say you don't like it.
What about when your opponent (hero in this case) is aggro, meaning he will doublebarrel a lot. Would you call the turn again with Khigh?
If not, doesn't raising the flop become pretty good then? it prevents from getting bluffed on the turn, and even if hero decides to call with a pair or a PP, KQ has a lot out outs including 2backdoors + it opens up value raises with Ax. It just makes it harder for hero to get to showdown with weak hands.



you could call the turn again with king high. your reasons for why raising KQ could be good are valid, they just need to be a part of an overall gameplan that includes value raising Ax

Posted about 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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Cool video!

Got a question.
Time: 18.00
Hand: Q2s

Do you think there is any merit in CR shoving the turn?
When you CC the turn you obv. got some kind of showdown value. Imo pretty
weigted towards Qx. It seems ambitious for villain to try bluffing you of, of Qx with
the KQ/96s in mind. IE: I would expect that he probably expect you to in general call pretty light.

Based on all the draws villain can have in he's range + all the rivercards where
we will be forced to maybe fold the best hand.
+ The assumption that villain not necessarily is going to shove non-scare river cards
with he's bluffs.
I am considering whether a turn CR shove is better than a turn CC

It is of course very dependent on how often we expect villain to follow through
with he's bluffs on "safe" river-cards.
- And maybe I am just a bit more pessimictic with regards to villains river-bluff tendencies
than you

Would appreciate to hear your thougts about this.



would be much better to c/c turn and c/c any river over c/r-ing the turn, he's never ever going to call us with a worse hand than ours

Posted about 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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Can you take the same lines in a micro/lower stakes?
Can you sweat a micro/ lower stake game for us?
Im assuming most viewers arent playing 2k$ pots.



the lines you take depend on the player you are playing against. i'd watch pr1nnyraiding 1 and 2 and try to internalize the principles we talk about throughout these series, rather than mirroring the exact lines we take when you're watching us play. if you can understand what to think about and how to think about it while you're playing, it's irrelevant whether you're playing a $10 pot, a $350 pot, a $1k pot or a $40k pot. you just adopt the line and the strategy that will make you the most money against the opponent you are currently up against (or the strategy that will make you lose the least, if you find yourself up against someone really great)

Posted about 1 year ago

Nikiforos86

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Excellent new series; any chance of an I-pod compatible vid for this episode?

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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T1 the hand on the all spades board - would we go c/r, bet turn, bet river with the Q high flush for value?

Also, how many suited Kx are we calling with oop?



yes i'd prob value bet river with Q high flush

as for suited kings, depending on how villani is playing post, could def defend/3bet every single one. the guy was never 2 barreling and that really opens up your options oop

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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T1 with the K3dd- you wouln't be cbetting AK/AQ on that board vs that guy?



defintely not always, he wasn't really the type that is putting me in that many tough decisions so I think i can play pretty well by c/c and expecting him to shut down a lot. vs others who are going to be more balanced in their flop betting game in that spot, might prefer to just use my hand as a semibluff

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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When the Q hits I immediately thought he will show up alot with a Q here and check back. What do you think about leading out the river, repping Ax and let a Q fold. Or do you think that early in the match any Qx will call you down a lot for information aswell? Or did you just checked, because you thought he can still have Ax here a lot of times?




betting is good for the reasons you say. Also i think in the video we talked about why betting the river might be better vs some (so they dont know you're capable of it). Checking is good for getting information. depending on which you view as more important at various parts of the match

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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T2 - what bluffs do you rep when you overbet there? Does the overbet in that spot allow you to rep more bluffs than a normal sized bet?



i dont know if i represent more bluffs by overbetting necessarily, but his range is capped/face up and my turn range can have tons of busted semibluffs there (or pure bluffs)

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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if
1) he doesnt have Ahi in his turn ck/calling range
2) he folds all but q+

then you have to bet like 290 to break even on ur bluffs (which is kinda lol obv) because 71% of the time he wouldnt fold:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
498 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 6Diamond6HeartqClub9Spade2Spade
jj 28.92% (144 wins, 0 ties)
kq, qj, qt, q8, A6, K6s, 66, 56s, 67s, 68s, 77, 88, A9 71.08% (354 wins, 0 ties)
pls correct me if im wrong



Yea him calling the turn with A high is definitely the tipping point on whether or not we should bluff the river

Posted about 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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yes i'd prob value bet river with Q high flush



then aren't we assuming he will call with the Jhigh flush and worse a decent amount of the time? If so, then doesn't that make it a bad river bluff? Or is it one of those spots where he may fold Jhigh flushes and worse often enough to make it a good bluff, but also call enough to make a Q high flush a value bet?

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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the river bluff is not great. how good or bad it is not sure

Posted about 1 year ago

nemmad

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Time Link to 00:18:49

if the river was a 2s, I feel like it becomes a little bit a leveling spot (maybe I just level my self). Because when we bet flop, check-call turn, our range becomes pretty obvious. I dont say that c/c turn is bad. But on the river is always a hard spot except for a K,T,J,9,Q river. Because we know that we play our hand pretty obvious and he also knows that. So the question is: does he 2 barrel bluf with air, because we know, he knows that our range is faced up to not very strong hands, so he expect us to call us only turn and fold river. So we will call the river becauase he thinks we fold it. Hopefully I made my point clear. It's just always hard to know what is best in these spots. If we don't have a lot of 3bet history where he flats our 3bets (because the session just started), but we know he is aggressive it becomes easier to call. Same if he is not very aggressive, maybe we should fold a 2s river.

your thoughts?

Posted 2 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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if the river was a 2s, I feel like it becomes a little bit a leveling spot (maybe I just level my self). Because when we bet flop, check-call turn, our range becomes pretty obvious. I dont say that c/c turn is bad. But on the river is always a hard spot except for a K,T,J,9,Q river. Because we know that we play our hand pretty obvious and he also knows that. So the question is: does he 2 barrel bluf with air, because we know, he knows that our range is faced up to not very strong hands, so he expect us to call us only turn and fold river. So we will call the river becauase he thinks we fold it. Hopefully I made my point clear. It's just always hard to know what is best in these spots. If we don't have a lot of 3bet history where he flats our 3bets (because the session just started), but we know he is aggressive it becomes easier to call. Same if he is not very aggressive, maybe we should fold a 2s river.

your thoughts?



I mostly agree. If the river is 2s then he has many more air hands he could bluff with, and Q2 would be toward the top of our range here, so probably would be less inclined to fold. We can c/c the turn with many worse bluff catchers too (maybe even A high) but obviously it becomes very difficult if we have absolutely no read on how aggro he is or what he perceives our turn c/c range to be.

Posted 2 months ago

nemmad

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yeah Q2 would be towards the top of our range, but our range is actually all the same strength. Because I don't think he will thin valuebet AT on turn without reads? (forgot to mention Q2 has some blocker effect, so it's a better hand)

But tnx for answer on my questionGrin

Posted 2 months ago



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