Poker Video: Omaha/Omaha 8 by yeahthatsme (Micro/Small Stakes)

Awesome intro

epic intro imo

I enjoyed this video, the PLO8 and NLO8 games are great and more discussion on DC can't even make them bad (because they are so good)

And yes nice intro work lol!

Thanks Chuck, thanks guys. Glad you liked the video. Obviously in hindsight, there are some things I'd do differently, primarily content wise and likely improved technically, but given the parameters of the contest, to be produced within 24 hours, and my rudimentary computer abilities/programs, I'm generally happy with how it came out. I must say it was somewhat nerve wracking to do initially, as is evident and I was pretty spent. Much respect to you guys with the consistency that you've achieved.

Big bet O8 is a lot of fun and usually fairly soft at lower levels, I really hope to see it grow more. The more visability and discussion about it the better imo. I think I even saw you playing some $5/10 NL recently Chuck.

The intro was my last choice tbh, but I had fun with it. I tried to recruit some people to help w/that, but no one could accomplish my ideas in a short time, so I went with it. My first choice was a take off on the beginning of Dr.No and another involved an animated dump trunk, but couldn't be done.

Thanks again for the opportunity.

nice vid. will this be a series or not. i don't really get the INSOMNIA program. so, will there be more episodes for plo8 and how frequently will they be released?

nice vid. will this be a series or not. i don't really get the INSOMNIA program. so, will there be more episodes for plo8 and how frequently will they be released?

Thank you.

Here's the info about the Insomnia Contest: "Your mission, should you choose to accept it: to outline a video series (8 episodes) and produce and upload the pilot video (Episode 1) in 24 hours. You can work alone, or in teams. All you need to do to sign up is respond with the word INSOMNIAC. Make sure that when you intro your video you include mention of today's cover story on CNN.com.

The festival will be judged by our crack team of experts, and you'll be graded in the categories of content, creativity and presentation (extra points for cool intros).

What's the prize, you say? You'll be awarded the full repertoire of DC gear, including our limited edition 2009 WSOP edition red logo t-shirt and hoodie, as well as the opportunity to strut your stuff and develop your entire series for an upcoming Season on DeucesCracked. And if you're in Vegas this summer, there might be an opportunity to come get an hour of coaching at the 2M2MM house from myself, whitelime, and flawless..."

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/22-Member-Videos/22704-OFFICIAL-INSOMNIA-TRAININ

As far as it being a series, Krantz was winding down from his busy filming schedule and said we'd speak about a series sometime in August when things settle a bit. What will come of it and/or schedule that it will follow is something I can't answer at this time.

If you are looking for more PLO8 content, Gergery made a couple of vids last year and I have another member vid in the members section of me 2 tabling 50PLO8- http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/22-Member-Videos/19557--50-PLO8-Vid

I finally watched this today. I've been playing PLO8 a lot lately, mostly around the stakes that yeah that's me is playing.

By far I think most insightful part of this video is the bit about not going crazy with the (current) nut high on an all-low board (without a really good low). I see this *all the time* and was definitely guilty of it a lot. I've started to really slow down on some of those hands. I know it's kind of nitty but I'd like to see a good turn before getting too excited about it. This goes for stuff like flopping a set on an all-low drawy board, 2 pair, etc.

For future videos, there are some topics I think it would be interesting to address (sorry if you hit these in the video already, I watched it this morning and I can't remember all of it)
* when to fold the nut low (especially as it regards to rake at these stakes, where splitting HU usually costs you 3 big blinds)
* when to fold the nut high (this is usually for different reasons than folding the nut low)
* probably should include a bit on the math of splitting and quartering (how much quartering hurts you HU, 3 ways, 4 ways, and about how much of a favorite for your side you need to be to raise purely for value when you know you must split)
* which decent hands to fold in the small blind or UTG, how to play good hands out of position (this is something I struggle with, like the AA hand I had today against you when I was in the SB)
* how drastically drawing odds change on the turn (you touched on this a little when you referred to not calling a pot sized bet on the turn with a purely drawing hand) - there are SO many spots where it's impossible to be an underdog on the flop, where you will be a 2:1 or 3:1 dog on the turn. These are spots where waiting to raise can be disastrous unless you can get out of the hand.
* over-valuing of non-nut redraws. I see this a TON where someone has a pretty good high right now, and facing a lot of action they're willing to shove it all in because they have, say, a medium flush redraw. When you get a TON of action on the flop, you generally have to consider that non-nut redraws won't win that much.

I think the "lesson plan" you laid out in the beginning is good, these are just a few topics that I've really had to struggle with myself, would like to see good material available on it. Definitely true that any PLO8 reg probably got there on his own, there is very little material, and I find a good deal of the available advice on some poker forums to be questionable at best.

I finally watched this today. I've been playing PLO8 a lot lately, mostly around the stakes that yeah that's me is playing.

By far I think most insightful part of this video is the bit about not going crazy with the (current) nut high on an all-low board (without a really good low). I see this *all the time* and was definitely guilty of it a lot. I've started to really slow down on some of those hands. I know it's kind of nitty but I'd like to see a good turn before getting too excited about it. This goes for stuff like flopping a set on an all-low drawy board, 2 pair, etc.

For future videos, there are some topics I think it would be interesting to address (sorry if you hit these in the video already, I watched it this morning and I can't remember all of it)
* when to fold the nut low (especially as it regards to rake at these stakes, where splitting HU usually costs you 3 big blinds)
* when to fold the nut high (this is usually for different reasons than folding the nut low)
* probably should include a bit on the math of splitting and quartering (how much quartering hurts you HU, 3 ways, 4 ways, and about how much of a favorite for your side you need to be to raise purely for value when you know you must split)
* which decent hands to fold in the small blind or UTG, how to play good hands out of position (this is something I struggle with, like the AA hand I had today against you when I was in the SB)
* how drastically drawing odds change on the turn (you touched on this a little when you referred to not calling a pot sized bet on the turn with a purely drawing hand) - there are SO many spots where it's impossible to be an underdog on the flop, where you will be a 2:1 or 3:1 dog on the turn. These are spots where waiting to raise can be disastrous unless you can get out of the hand.
* over-valuing of non-nut redraws. I see this a TON where someone has a pretty good high right now, and facing a lot of action they're willing to shove it all in because they have, say, a medium flush redraw. When you get a TON of action on the flop, you generally have to consider that non-nut redraws won't win that much.

I think the "lesson plan" you laid out in the beginning is good, these are just a few topics that I've really had to struggle with myself, would like to see good material available on it. Definitely true that any PLO8 reg probably got there on his own, there is very little material, and I find a good deal of the available advice on some poker forums to be questionable at best.

Thanks Rusty, I appreciate the post.

Many of the topics that you brought up I was considering for episode 2 as well as when they pop up in game play, although I hadn't considered them all. I think the ideas that you mentioned really pertain well to the $25 & $50(and some $100) games because most of the time when you're facing action it's versus a relatively narrow range of hands, and having a grasp on your equity vs those ranges is important. That's where the quartering and redraw understanding is key. There are a ton of reg's at $50PL, so every little bit is critical to success.
It's really interesting what types of hands all of the sudden become very strong in multiway situations, almost where you'd rather NOT have an A2.
I think the blinds and EP's are some of the toughest spots, so I'll definitely spend some extended time on those areas.

As, imo, there is a ton that could be discussed about the game, I'm going to try to cover as much as possible. I'm sure I'll ask for your feedback

Something I struggle with literally every single day is doing something after 10 seconds thought that I wouldn't do after 2 minutes thought. I'm still working on fighting certain reflexes - I'm hoping with time and analysis the right actions will become reflex instead of the wrong ones.

Some thoughts about deep stacked play would be fantastic because I readily admit to being freakin lost in deep stacked hands. This is really a problem for me because I have auto-rebuy to 100bb on all the time. So I never dip below 100bb but when I win a big pot all of a sudden I have 100bb. Sometimes I don't stop to realize that I'm in a pot with a tight reg and we both have 200bb until the flop or the turn when I get faced with a big check-raise and realize my whole stack is at risk.

Any updates on the series?

Any updates on the series?

TBH, I really don't know. Krantz wanted me to email him near the end of this month about it. And since it's near the end of the month, I'm going to do just that. I don't know what will come of it, but I'll update any info in this thread.

Thanks for the interest.

TBH, I really don't know. Krantz wanted me to email him near the end of this month about it. And since it's near the end of the month, I'm going to do just that. I don't know what will come of it, but I'll update any info in this thread.

Thanks for the interest.

To me this is a no brainer pickup for DC. Where else are you going to find a PLO8 series?

I'd love to see some live play so we can see what you do when you aren't flopping nut nut with nut nut nut redraws (even though its always fun to see hero get it in with such monsters). See what sort of reads you need to be able to continue with 1way hands. In particular I'm interested in where the good bluffing spots are, as I am primarily a HU player and have been dabbling in HUPLO8 lately and when I play the guys who are only playing back with nut/nut type hands HU I generally run them over postflop.

anyways, I think there is a ton of info you could cover, so heres hoping for the krantz greenlight.

To me this is a no brainer pickup for DC. Where else are you going to find a PLO8 series?

I'd love to see some live play so we can see what you do when you aren't flopping nut nut with nut nut nut redraws (even though its always fun to see hero get it in with such monsters). See what sort of reads you need to be able to continue with 1way hands. In particular I'm interested in where the good bluffing spots are, as I am primarily a HU player and have been dabbling in HUPLO8 lately and when I play the guys who are only playing back with nut/nut type hands HU I generally run them over postflop.

anyways, I think there is a ton of info you could cover, so heres hoping for the krantz greenlight.

Haha, I've got some nasty hands to throw in. Fistpu...ohhh, holdholdhold type hands too Seriously though, I spoke w/Krantz and he wants me to show him the planned format, primarily what was described in the intro, but broken down a bit more to see what needs to be tweaked, etc., hopefully with a release sometime near the end of November.

I'll likely do mostly live play(both PL and NL as I play a lot of both)as that's where, imo, the real tricky or marginal spots will pop up and not everything is cherry picked. I'm also making notes now of specific hands that end up being split, as these are the hardest to pull from HEM. The hands in this were just primers for sure. It's real easy to go over a hand where you flopped the world, but definitely more fun and interesting to discuss hands where you flop just enough to hang in, push, bluff or bluff catch.

And as usual, thanks for the interest! It's a great game.

And if you do want to watch a live play, I posted one in the Members section a while back that can be watched here- http://membervideos.deucescracked.com/yeah%20thats%20me/74/plo50%20vid.avi

And if you do want to watch a live play, I posted one in the Members section a while back that can be watched here- http://membervideos.deucescracked.com/yeah%20thats%20me/74/plo50%20vid.avi

I can't get this video to play. In Windows media player, only audio. In real player it says it needs a pluggin, (icm.2264) but that it is unavailable. Little help please.

Thanks,

Sean

I can't get this video to play. In Windows media player, only audio. In real player it says it needs a pluggin, (icm.2264) but that it is unavailable. Little help please.

Thanks,

Sean

I should have posted the link to the thread- http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/22-Member-Videos/19557--50-PLO8-Vid

as it discusses that. My bad. It's best viewed using the VLC media player, a free download that I think Entity pointed me to, it's best for reading that type of file(avi). Just google it and it only takes a couple of minutes to download. I don't know why windows media player doesn't read it after downloading as that's what i viewed it on, iirc, before I uploaded it.

First of all, kudos for the effort. All training sites are derelict in their inattention to Omaha Hi-Lo. Certainly, krantz is a savvy enough businessman to pick up your series. Good luck. - Jack Dog
p.s., would love to see some O/8 MTT videos.

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I'm glad to be going back and watching this now. It's good to see your outline of where you're planning to take "In a Nutshell".

I appreciate that you included a variance comparison of L/PL/NLO8 and PLOH. However, I didn't hear where you talked about winrate. This is one of my huge peeves, because so much dubious advice floats around 2+2.

You can't estimate bankroll requirements without a winrate. You just can't.

The bankroll for a 10 bb/100 winner is nothing at all like the bankroll for a 0.1 bb/100 winner. Apologies in advance if I missed this, but if it's not in there, I hope that anyone using your bankroll advice will first stop and think honestly about winrate. So what winrate did you base your advice on?

On the other hand, it's great that you mentioned that variance depends on playing style.

Apparently the Comment from Timeline feature got the wrong time stamp; it's somewhere around 9:00 in.

I guess I somewhat disagree because determining a true winrate takes so long. I focus on the more immediate variables(and other factors) that end up determining ones true winrate.

Realistically, those minimum requirements weren't based on a winrate, as they were directed towards those getting started. Once volume has started to add up and a winrate becomes more definable, those requirements will change from person to person. I'm working in safe mode atm, so I have no audio and can't listen, but my basis for those recommendations are a general understanding of the game(IE fundamentals), a fairly TAG style and a modicum of tilt control.

As any of those variables change, so will the bankroll requirements. It was pretty generic advice as it could be applied to a winrate of 2bbs/100 or 8bbs/100. The more LAG you are, the bigger the BR you'll need. The weaker fundamentally or you have tilt issues, the same. For me, it's changed over just the past year. A year ago I wasn't comfortable playing w/<30 buyins for any level, now it's <20.

Other factors play in to the recommendation as well. What's the reason for playing? Fun? Income? Can you reload with ease? etc. Again, they are somewhat generic numbers, as it would take an understanding of a specific individual to give a more concrete estimation.

Yes, all of those factors are relevant, and I appreciate that you're wanting to keep things simple.

My problem with calling this "bankroll advice" -- and this is by no means a problem with you, people do this on 2+2 all the time -- is that the old-school bankroll advice (stuff like Malmuth's 300 big bets for LHE) is based on a very specific risk of ruin calculation that requires a winrate.

If you don't even know that your winrate is positive, let alone how to quantify your winrate, then it's not really a bankroll! It's a training budget. Certainly everyone should have a training budget, and maybe stuck 30 buy-ins is a good threshold to evaluate whether you want to keep pumping money into a game you're probably not yet able to beat. But calling it a bankroll implies that you know you're beating the game for x number of bb/100. So when new players ask me "bankroll" questions, I usually turn it back on them and get them thinking about how much data they need to estimate their winrate.

Like I say, just a general peeve about how people talk about this stuff without clarifying. Good video though -- eagerly awaiting the rest of IaN.

This is one of the most interesting videos I've watched. So glad I ran across it.

I'm definitely going to check out In a Nutshell.

This is one of the most interesting videos I've watched. So glad I ran across it.

I'm definitely going to check out In a Nutshell.

Glad you liked it! Fair warning, I was even more nervous in the 1st episode of In a Nutshell, working with Chuck was scary!

And LOL at the CNN stuff, it does have relevancy as it was used to date the vid as we had 24 hours to put the vid together.