Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by threads13 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 01:10:23

Interesting, I really have trouble in exact these kind of spots. What do you think about clicking it back and folding when he shoves and get it in on most turn cards?

And do you play differently when you are OOP, say you are UTG vs villain in MP who raises you on exact the same board?

Interesting, I really have trouble in exact these kind of spots. What do you think about clicking it back and folding when he shoves and get it in on most turn cards?

And do you play differently when you are OOP, say you are UTG vs villain in MP who raises you on exact the same board?

I don't think we can fold when he shoves because I think he'll show up with Tx a little too often. We crush that hand pretty well so he doesn't have to do that a high percentage of the time for us to get enough equity to call.

If he just flats I would go ahead and continue v-betting my hand.

Time Link to 00:35:01

Think it is great how you broke down this hand, and figured out the correct play...but how do you do this in real time when hand is in progress.

I mean with all the calcs it was a min of 5 min to figure it out. How do you do this in a actual hand in real time ?

Think it is great how you broke down this hand, and figured out the correct play...but how do you do this in real time when hand is in progress.

I mean with all the calcs it was a min of 5 min to figure it out. How do you do this in a actual hand in real time ?

With enough practice it actually becomes pretty intuitive. So, the work you put in away from the table makes it so that when you're at the table you don't have to do that type of "work". You'll be able to estimate your pot equity fairly well versus AI ranges after a bit of practice (22-99 often have very similar equity and will often be the type of hands you consider shoving).

Time Link to 00:31:53

This is actually pretty interesting. My .02c.

I'd say it's pretty clear to anyone playing with a brain that the best paired hand we can have here is probably QQ (ordinarily JJ, but vs. UTG and with squeeze happy behind QQ becomes a pretty good flat here), so it's not an ordinary spot here where we rep like 88 max and this makes it pretty hard for wide calls. That having been said, I think we're getting looked up by AQ+ / JJ+ here, which if we manage to get past squeezer could very well make up a decent portion of the cold callers ranges. In addition, we can expect KK to most likely 4b, and AA most of the time, so if we do just AQ+, JJ, QQ, AhAc we get 43% equity, and we also fold out a good chunk of dead money, as well as possibly some hands like 89s if the BB decided to gamble thinking he'd get two cold calls behind.

So since imo the players behind are near coinflips and therefore can be considered near enough to dead money, it basically centres on squeezer. I think the main thing we have to consider here is that in order for him to be squeezing light, he needs to be A) crazy enough to squeeze UTG + EP cold caller and B) not have been so crazy lately that he doesn't have an image that has this happen to him every single time or else stupid aggro enough not to care (ie. he's bad and doesn't care about image).

So with that having been said, consider that there is like $50 bucks in the pot already and you have to call $9 to hit a set. Given that the BTN and BB are fishy according to reads, if they flop TP and you flop your set your getting at least one bet (it's likely sooo much more). You're also likely getting money out of overpairs against squeezer. So given that you have a $50 overlay and you need only $80 or so on average, your set mining here is very profitable.

So basically, if you think squeezer is good enough or stupid enough to do this light then a shove is good, but I'd be pretty sure that he's that aggro before I pass up a profitable set mine against two fish.

What a great hand to end the series on

Although i have nothing to back it up with I agree with you what you have said , it seems to make a lot of sense. Unless we have seen it before from villain and saw a hand go to showdown its very hard to put him on a range and even more so what he does with that range on the turn. Its a spot were by calling flop we open up a world of uncertainty for a lot of turn cards.

3betting the flop just seems to have more advantages. We are happy to take down the flop now and we dont rep much by 3betting either so i think hed find it hard to get away from TP. The type of villian to c/r semi-bluff here will find our 3bet strange and may bluff shove. I think the best thing is we remove villain the opportunity to see a turn and play it as he wants.

Great series Threads!

Regarding the last hand, I recently went in to Pokerazor and took a look at the EV of 3-betting the flop as compared to calling the flop.

My assumptions:
- I had him very rarely raising TP, and very rarely shipping it (20% at each decision point.
- I had him raise a set 60% of the time (I feel this is high).
- I also calculated it with him raising a set 20% of the time.
- I had him spaz-shoving with gutshots and open-enders 10% of the time.


The calling gameplan followed the same trajectory as the river, but I set his bluffing frequency at 20% on the river.


Villain Raising sets 60%:
3-bet/call = 16.45
Call = 11.59

Raising sets 20%:
3-bet/call = 21.14
Call = 13.75

Looks like the math backs up the intuition.

LAST VIDEO! Say it isn't so. What am I going to do with my Thursday nights. How about pushing it through to set up artist episode 20.

Time Link to 00:36:55

You saying Botton and Big blind have 20% chance of calling?

But they overcall, what range that mighty be? AK JJ-QQ?

If they a bit fishy they might even call your allin with TT.

What do you think about this?

Ty, great series.

Time Link to 00:40:13

If he didn't 3 bet much, why can't he be c/c with AQ or AJ?

I believe this is a good part of his range to c/c.

What do you think?

You saying Botton and Big blind have 20% chance of calling?

But they overcall, what range that mighty be? AK JJ-QQ?

If they a bit fishy they might even call your allin with TT.

What do you think about this?

Ty, great series.

Yeah, the 20% is just an arbitrary estimate for the times they randomly show up with AK, TT, etc.

If he dint 3 bet much, why can't he be c/c with AQ or AJ?

I believe this is a good part of his range to c/c.

What do you think?

c/c'ing AQ on this flop is pretty loose. It's not a board we are going to be c-betting that much. If we give him hands like that then he folds the turn even more often. He misses the J more than he hits it.

Time Link to 01:09:06

I am sorry but when you say that vilain knows what we have when we call, i think you are bit off.

Hero would call down all day with sets, 107,108, 98 not only with overpairs.

Dont you agree?

About 3betting the flop:

Why not shoving the turn instead? We would make more money against his bluffs and semibluffs, dont you think?

I am sorry but when you say that vilain knows what we have when we call, i think you are bit off.

Hero would call down all day with sets, 107,108, 98 not only with overpairs.

Dont you agree?

Well he knows we have Tx+ most of the time. I'd estimate 70% of our range is Tx and overpairs. I think that's probably a conservative estimate if we're always flatting Tx, overpairs, and sets. So, he's 100% right 70% of the time. Not a very good spot for us to be. He pretty much knows what we hold unless we happened to flop a set. And no one actually flops sets.

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Why not shoving the turn instead? We would make more money against his bluffs and semibluffs, dont you think?

I don't think he'll have enough air in his range. I assume he's not auto-2-barreling 100% of his bluff range on the turn. I ran the math on shoving the turn vs his estimated range and it was -EV. Calling turn is better than shoving.

So if they dont have enough air on the turn, we should fold the turn right?

So if they dont have enough air on the turn, we should fold the turn right?

Sure, but probably unlikely if we're calling the flop. I'm pretty sure the turn ends up being so thin that it goes to show that folding to turn wouldn't be a huge mistake. I think of that intuitively as why we may want to try something different on the flop. If we have an overpair to the board, and are getting raised a lot, yet don't turn a lot of profit on the turn, then that doesn't seem like the best situation for us. I think we let him realize his equity too much by flatting, while also letting him be balanced by just playing naturally.

Sure, but probably unlikely if we're calling the flop. I'm pretty sure the turn ends up being so thin that it goes to show that folding to turn wouldn't be a huge mistake. I think of that intuitively as why we may want to try something different on the flop. If we have an overpair to the board, and are getting raised a lot, yet don't turn a lot of profit on the turn, then that doesn't seem like the best situation for us. I think we let him realize his equity too much by flatting, while also letting him be balanced by just playing naturally.

I'm a bit confused here.
If the best play is 3betting the flop, what would you do on the turn if villain just flats your 3bet?
And would u fold to villain's 4bet shove on the flop?

I'm a bit confused here.
If the best play is 3betting the flop, what would you do on the turn if villain just flats your 3bet?
And would u fold to villain's 4bet shove on the flop?

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No, I wouldn't fold to a shove. I would go ahead and v-bet the turn. The times that he flats we have to start putting his range on made hands a lot more (unless villain is sophisticated enough to float, which I'd doubt) so this skews his range more towards Tx. Bigger hands and bluffs would 4-bet shove the flop.