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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by threads13 (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:10:02

Table 1, you fold 55 vs a 3x open from slavik, misclick?

Table 1, you fold 55 vs a 3x open from slavik, misclick?

It's close, but I don't really care for set mining vs a LAG-TAG in MP. I could get squeezed, my relative and absolute position will often be weak post-flop. Furthermore, he's going to play pretty well post-flop so I expect my implied odds to be low. I'd make this call in LP though. I'd also flat in this spot if the player was nittier or just, in general, a poor player. I didn't get that vibe from slavik at all. That would increase our implied odds (which is really what we need to flat a hand like 55).

Time Link to 00:03:28

You call with KTs in CO vs an unknown EP raiser to most likely get HU. Can you briefly elaborate on what your strategy will be (what we are looking for postflop, what kinds of players we are looking to do this to), and also, do you recommend intermediate players try to learn how to play this hand here?

You call with KTs in CO vs an unknown EP raiser to most likely get HU. Can you briefly elaborate on what your strategy will be (what we are looking for postflop, what kinds of players we are looking to do this to), and also, do you recommend intermediate players try to learn how to play this hand here?

Given his stack size and his raise size I assume this player is pretty fishy. He's also played 2 out of his first 3 hands I've observed, but is yet to raise one. TAGs are pretty unlikely to do that. If they 2 out of their first 3 hands, they likely will have raised one of them, if not both of them. So I'll mostly be playing to just flop some equity - hopefully a big pair. If he makes some weak bets I will try to take the pot away. Also, I don't mind trying to get a feel for how he will be playing and this is a good enough hand to do so.

Time Link to 00:53:49

In the lower left table, is there a reason why you don't think he has any Tx in his range? Is it because you feel his preflop range just doesn't have it there (since he is running 9/7 so far), and/or because you expect him to bet with a T?
If we never bet with just a T, then would hitting another T be relevant to our "check and get to SD with what is likely the best hand" strategy?
I'm having a hard time imagining him having us beat on the flop, and it's not entirely clear to me that we can't value bet at least by the turn.

In the lower left table, is there a reason why you don't think he has any Tx in his range? Is it because you feel his preflop range just doesn't have it there (since he is running 9/7 so far), and/or because you expect him to bet with a T?
If we never bet with just a T, then would hitting another T be relevant to our "check and get to SD with what is likely the best hand" strategy?
I'm having a hard time imagining him having us beat on the flop, and it's not entirely clear to me that we can't value bet at least by the turn.

I feel like vs this guy we have a 1 street of value hand. He is unlikely to have a draw and I assume he'll bet Tx (plus I have a T which reduces the combos of Tx he can have anyways). So, I agree we have the best hand and we can get value, I just think he's more likely to call the river than the turn absent any reads. Since we can only get one street of value there's no big reason it has to be on the flop or the turn since he's unlikely to have draws (somewhat of a case for it on the turn with the FD that was there, but I wouldn't be surprised if he bet his FDs some percentage of the time and they are a small percentage of his range anyways).

Okay, that totally makes sense then. Just wait till the river and we can get many more calls. I like it.

Time Link to 00:08:17

Super Noob Question, you were talking about slovaks 3-bet % being 12% when you decided not to open 55. Does this correlate to vpip, like if a guy is 8/8 and 3-bets 12% is his 3-betting range tighter than a 27/27 3-betting 12%? Or is 12% just 12% of all hands no matter what their vpip is?

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:13:13

Hi Threads, on table 4 you opened 97s here and decided to check your hand. You said something about not getting good value and having the backdoor FD and gutterball to go with your hand. Are you checking as to not get fooled with by a bluff raised or a call floated on this board texture? Is it something to do with you having a stronger perceived range UTG? Would you be checking this type of texture in a BvB situation OOP vs. Aggro players and perhaps betting against straightforward players?

My Questions kind of vague, but I'm just not understanding the check/call here.

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:14:41

Table 1 you muck 75o vs. the button min raise. I don't know what type of player the opener was, given the better pot odds you are receiving, are you calling stuff like K8s, J7s etc...I realize that against better players you will have a tighter range than a fishier player min opening. But basically since you are getting a better price, do you defend some junkier hands with a call, or do you kind of use your same cold calling and or 3-betting ranges that you use facing a 2.5-4x open from villains?

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:25:26

Hey Threads, on Table 3 you iso'ed a fish and c-bet and picked up the pot on AT3 rainbow. Many times your c-bet will be called on these type of boards, or perhaps a board like KT5, or K93, or A57. Basically a board with at least one High card on the flop. When do you like to barrel these boards on the turn with the initiative? For instance, it seems to me on this board of AT3 rainbow if your c-bet gets called, you'll be up against Ax, Tx, and perhaps an oop float with a gutterball, or maybe a stubborn 88 sometimes. It seems like a guessing game as to whether or not we should fire the turn. We have some FE vs Tx, but probably not Ax and we'd have to go 3 barrels to have a shot of folding out weaker Ax. It just seems like a total gamble to double barrel these boards unless we know villain is super weak tight and will give up some stronger hands on the turn or is peeling the flop ultra light against us.

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:41:59

Hey,
Thanks for a great series!

KJo on table one:
Woul'd you bluff this river versus a good player too, or woul'd you expect to get rebluffed a lot?
And if you were villain, would you ever turn a made hand into a bluff OOP on this river after turn goes check check?

Super Noob Question, you were talking about slovaks 3-bet % being 12% when you decided not to open 55. Does this correlate to vpip, like if a guy is 8/8 and 3-bets 12% is his 3-betting range tighter than a 27/27 3-betting 12%? Or is 12% just 12% of all hands no matter what their vpip is?

-Thanks.

Nah, the 3-betting number is just a pure "how many times has he 3-bet out of how many opportunities he has to 3-bet". That number won't have anything to do with VPIP, but you will tend to see guys who have higher VPIPs tend to 3-bet more. That's more a function of style and also when you 3-bet it does go to your VPIP/PFR. So, I'm much more likely to think a 20/17 is 3-betting me light than a 8/5 is 3-betting me light.

Time Link to 00:13:13


Hi Threads, on table 4 you opened 97s here and decided to check your hand. You said something about not getting good value and having the backdoor FD and gutterball to go with your hand. Are you checking as to not get fooled with by a bluff raised or a call floated on this board texture? Is it something to do with you having a stronger perceived range UTG? Would you be checking this type of texture in a BvB situation OOP vs. Aggro players and perhaps betting against straightforward players?

My Questions kind of vague, but I'm just not understanding the check/call here.

-Thanks.

Yeah, I don't really expect to get value out of my bet. He may even bluff-raise me and put me in a tough situation. If I check, I may induce a bluff that is very easily catchable and if I'm behind I have a lot of outs to improve. If I was playing against a passive player I might be more inclined to take a bet-bet-c/c line, but even that is going to be hard on this board texture as there's a lot of cards that will improve him.

Time Link to 00:14:41


Table 1 you muck 75o vs. the button min raise. I don't know what type of player the opener was, given the better pot odds you are receiving, are you calling stuff like K8s, J7s etc...I realize that against better players you will have a tighter range than a fishier player min opening. But basically since you are getting a better price, do you defend some junkier hands with a call, or do you kind of use your same cold calling and or 3-betting ranges that you use facing a 2.5-4x open from villains?

-Thanks.

Yeah, I'd likely call down to stuff like K5s, J6s, Q7s. When we do face smaller raises we can start calling with more hands. I usually look at as "what is my worst hand I'd call with vs a 3bb open" and then I go down a few notches.

Hey Threads, on Table 3 you iso'ed a fish and c-bet and picked up the pot on AT3 rainbow. Many times your c-bet will be called on these type of boards, or perhaps a board like KT5, or K93, or A57. Basically a board with at least one High card on the flop. When do you like to barrel these boards on the turn with the initiative? For instance, it seems to me on this board of AT3 rainbow if your c-bet gets called, you'll be up against Ax, Tx, and perhaps an oop float with a gutterball, or maybe a stubborn 88 sometimes. It seems like a guessing game as to whether or not we should fire the turn. We have some FE vs Tx, but probably not Ax and we'd have to go 3 barrels to have a shot of folding out weaker Ax. It just seems like a total gamble to double barrel these boards unless we know villain is super weak tight and will give up some stronger hands on the turn or is peeling the flop ultra light against us.

-Thanks.

I actually think our c-bet on the flop has a relatively high working frequency, but I will tend to barrel turn cards that don't help him when I have equity. So, on ATx, I may be the turn with KQ on a brick to try to get him to fold stubborn medium PPs and gutshots. It's a bit thin so it's best to do this with some amount of pot equity when called, which means you won't need as much FE to make the bet profitable. If I had something like 76o, I wouldn't be barreling the turn very often. Also, I'd consider checking back the flop, especially if the villain is super honest in this spot, and just using a delayed c-betting line. This line often has just as many merits as betting the flop, but allows you to have a stronger betting range and gives you more information before you fire your one and only barrel. Any time you're only going to fire one barrel because you have little equity when called a delayed c-bet goes up in value.

Hey,
Thanks for a great series!

KJo on table one:
Woul'd you bluff this river versus a good player too, or woul'd you expect to get rebluffed a lot?
And if you were villain, would you ever turn a made hand into a bluff OOP on this river after turn goes check check?

Yeah, I feel like this line looks like a lot of thin v-bets from stuff like the Kc and Jc. Also, he may expect us to bluff that turn card anyways. I wouldn't be too worried about getting rebluffed via a river c/r. If I was in villain's shoes I would very often turn hands into bluffs, like Qx, by leading out on the river. I wouldn't go for a c/r bluff unless I thought villain was quite aggro.

Thanks a bunch for taking the time to respond, these are very helpful talks for me and I study these video threads as time permits.

Nah, the 3-betting number is just a pure "how many times has he 3-bet out of how many opportunities he has to 3-bet". That number won't have anything to do with VPIP, but you will tend to see guys who have higher VPIPs tend to 3-bet more. That's more a function of style and also when you 3-bet it does go to your VPIP/PFR. So, I'm much more likely to think a 20/17 is 3-betting me light than a 8/5 is 3-betting me light.



Yeah, I don't really expect to get value out of my bet. He may even bluff-raise me and put me in a tough situation. If I check, I may induce a bluff that is very easily catchable and if I'm behind I have a lot of outs to improve. If I was playing against a passive player I might be more inclined to take a bet-bet-c/c line, but even that is going to be hard on this board texture as there's a lot of cards that will improve him.



Yeah, I'd likely call down to stuff like K5s, J6s, Q7s. When we do face smaller raises we can start calling with more hands. I usually look at as "what is my worst hand I'd call with vs a 3bb open" and then I go down a few notches.



I actually think our c-bet on the flop has a relatively high working frequency, but I will tend to barrel turn cards that don't help him when I have equity. So, on ATx, I may be the turn with KQ on a brick to try to get him to fold stubborn medium PPs and gutshots. It's a bit thin so it's best to do this with some amount of pot equity when called, which means you won't need as much FE to make the bet profitable. If I had something like 76o, I wouldn't be barreling the turn very often. Also, I'd consider checking back the flop, especially if the villain is super honest in this spot, and just using a delayed c-betting line. This line often has just as many merits as betting the flop, but allows you to have a stronger betting range and gives you more information before you fire your one and only barrel. Any time you're only going to fire one barrel because you have little equity when called a delayed c-bet goes up in value.

Hey Threads - another really solid video

Any reason why you arent taking notes into HEM or the FT client ?

A4s - 3betting has the benefit of getting the weaker player to fold so he wont call and be up against a strong EP range - what a great observation

Btw - i put in a request to have coaching from you awhile back but was told you only coached fullring , at the time i didnt question it but since you said you play a lot of 6max i thought id let you know just in case they made a mistake

Hey Threads - another really solid video

Any reason why you arent taking notes into HEM or the FT client?

I find that taking them in notepad is a little bit easier. Sure, it takes a few minutes to import them to HEM post-session, but I'd rather spend that time then than trying to click the little note thing during a session.

A4s - 3betting has the benefit of getting the weaker player to fold so he wont call and be up against a strong EP range - what a great observation

Thank you, but to be honest it was a concept that Nolan explained to me.

Btw - i put in a request to have coaching from you awhile back but was told you only coached fullring , at the time i didnt question it but since you said you play a lot of 6max i thought id let you know just in case they made a mistake

Yeah, I coach both 6-max and FR. Thanks for the heads up.

Time Link to 00:21:39

Villain didn't barrel K turn on #2. Without other history than both players probably seeing from hud that both are tags would you autobet the K turn as villain here with the Q8? Would your plan be to bet a lot of rivers too?

Villain didn't barrel K turn on #2. Without other history than both players probably seeing from hud that both are tags would you autobet the K turn as villain here with the Q8? Would your plan be to bet a lot of rivers too?

Yeah, I would usually bet my air twice unless I felt that the player was likely to make a hero call down. Most small stakes players don't, imo.