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Time Link to 00:02:49

Hi Threads, on table 4 you iso 74s and c-bet the flop for protection with middle pair.
- Are you referring to protecting against overcards?
- if villain had 68 for an oesd and we bet most likely he will call, so in theory we can never protect against a straight an oesd, we can only charge them in most cases, do you agree?

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:05:07

Hi threads, on Table 1 you didnt c-bet into the mono board with air. Why didn't you? Are there different mono boards you'd c-bet there, perhaps like a K92 mono or so?

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:07:27

Hi Threads,

on table 3 you wanted to raise you KQs on J85tt because you said on the turn there are a lot of turn cards you could rep. So for example if a 7 fell on the turn you could rep a T9 oesd completing on the turn. My question is, would you raise a c-bet with T9 of hearts here, or would you float because you wouldn't want to get blown off your equity by a flop 3-bet?

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:11:31

Hi Threads,

Table 4 here on the J turn you said you wanted to go for value and protection.

-Don't you think the J of diamonds is nasty? It makes QJ, KJ, the broadway straight, and a flush. It seems like you can only get value and protect from some weaker Ax hands and possiby some Kx + gutterballs. How would figure out if it's better to bet for value again here, or check fold?

-Thanks.

Time Link to 00:21:37

Hi Threads, Table 1, you isolated and said you don't think villain would fold to a c-bet much on this flop. Why do you say that? Too many gutters, flush draws and overs he'd peel or raise with in his range?

-Thanks.

Time Link to 01:01:03

Hi Threads,

You fold 89s to the UTG open when you were in middle position. You said it was not good enough to call, therefore you were inferring that if you can't call you would occasionally 3-bet bluff it. I totally understand that. However I don't understand the theory you use to arrive at the conclusion that it isn't good enough to call. Is it because UTG's range is too tight and you would lack proper fold equity to bluff/float post flop? Is it because you were too far off the button? Perhaps you would cold call this on the button?

-Thanks.

Hi Threads, on table 4 you iso 74s and c-bet the flop for protection with middle pair.
- Are you referring to protecting against overcards?
- if villain had 68 for an oesd and we bet most likely he will call, so in theory we can never protect against a straight an oesd, we can only charge them in most cases, do you agree?

-Thanks.

Right, trying to just let him fold his equity share with stuff like KQ, JT, etc.

Vs OESDs we aren't really protecting or getting value on the flop, but we could potentially get value on the turn.

ime Link to 00:05:07


Hi threads, on Table 1 you didnt c-bet into the mono board with air. Why didn't you? Are there different mono boards you'd c-bet there, perhaps like a K92 mono or so?

-Thanks.

Yeah, I'd be much more likely to bet a flop that includes a high card or two that I can actually represent. Also, I am up against a player I marked as a fish. I'm not expecting a fish to fold this flop absent any specific reads.

ime Link to 00:07:27


Hi Threads,

on table 3 you wanted to raise you KQs on J85tt because you said on the turn there are a lot of turn cards you could rep. So for example if a 7 fell on the turn you could rep a T9 oesd completing on the turn. My question is, would you raise a c-bet with T9 of hearts here, or would you float because you wouldn't want to get blown off your equity by a flop 3-bet?

-Thanks.

Yes, I'd likely flat a T9 and then raise turn bets when I have more equity as compared to having to face turn bets more often when I don't have much equity. With T9s I know I'll have equity on the turn, with KQ BDFD/BDSD I'm not as sure. As you mentioned, I also don't mind getting 3-bet with KQs but with T9s it is more bothersome.

Basically, when I have a lot of pot equity I can call the flop and rely on it on later streets. When I don't have as much pot equity I like to "make up" for it by picking up FE right now by raising. The thing we want is a lot of equity (be it fold equity or pot equity). With an OESD we have enough such that we aren't required to raise (although it is an option). With the two backdoors and overs, we don't have as much, imo, and a raise becomes better.

Time Link to 00:11:31


Hi Threads,

Table 4 here on the J turn you said you wanted to go for value and protection.

-Don't you think the J of diamonds is nasty? It makes QJ, KJ, the broadway straight, and a flush. It seems like you can only get value and protect from some weaker Ax hands and possiby some Kx + gutterballs. How would figure out if it's better to bet for value again here, or check fold?

-Thanks.

QJ, we're ahead of and I expect him to bet the turn with two-pair or better. Thus I feel pretty ok about my hand on the turn. So, I think his range consist largely of Ax, Kx, random diamonds and GS's.

Time Link to 00:21:37


Hi Threads, Table 1, you isolated and said you don't think villain would fold to a c-bet much on this flop. Why do you say that? Too many gutters, flush draws and overs he'd peel or raise with in his range?

-Thanks.

Yes, exactly. Plus I have no real solid draws to speak of.

Time Link to 01:01:03


Hi Threads,

You fold 89s to the UTG open when you were in middle position. You said it was not good enough to call, therefore you were inferring that if you can't call you would occasionally 3-bet bluff it. I totally understand that. However I don't understand the theory you use to arrive at the conclusion that it isn't good enough to call. Is it because UTG's range is too tight and you would lack proper fold equity to bluff/float post flop? Is it because you were too far off the button? Perhaps you would cold call this on the button?

-Thanks.

Yes, I would typically rather 3-bet than call with SCs in MP. I may flat with them if I have a read on the player being bad or maybe if we're deep. In this spot I might have enough of a read to say that he's bad, but it's not really conclusive yet due to sample size. I likely wouldn't flat vs this player OTB either, but it's closer given he may be a poor player. Again though, it's hard to say that he is at this point so I'd lean towards folding.

I typically am flatting raises with SCs if I'm going to be bluffing with them post-flop which requires a wider range (TAGs opening in LP), or if the player is offering a lot of implied odds (read: fish or super-NIT).

Time Link to 00:58:27

Hey threads,
at 58.38 there is a hand where you have Tc8c in the small blind. There is a raise from under the gun and 3 players call. After thinking for a few seconds, you elect to fold despite being offered pot odds of better than 5-1. Is that a standard fold for you, even with the pot being multiway? I call often in that spot with hands like suited connectors, suited gappers and suited aces. However, when I think about it, I think that may be a small leak. You just don't hit a big hand often enough to justify it. Flopping a flush draw isn't that great 5-way. Neither is flopping an OESD. And if you hit trips you have to worry about being outkicked. What are your thoughts on all of that?

Hey threads,
at 58.38 there is a hand where you have Tc8c in the small blind. There is a raise from under the gun and 3 players call. After thinking for a few seconds, you elect to fold despite being offered pot odds of better than 5-1. Is that a standard fold for you, even with the pot being multiway? I call often in that spot with hands like suited connectors, suited gappers and suited aces. However, when I think about it, I think that may be a small leak. You just don't hit a big hand often enough to justify it. Flopping a flush draw isn't that great 5-way. Neither is flopping an OESD. And if you hit trips you have to worry about being outkicked. What are your thoughts on all of that?

Yeah, I was asked a similar question in the forum and I responded with this. In this response I was talking about J7s, but this all applies for SCs and Axs as well.

The problem with the pot odds pre-flop argument is when a bunch of money goes in pre-flop, the pot gets bigger. When pots are raised and multi-way, the pot gets bigger. When the pot is bigger, c-bets are bigger. That means you have to pay a higher portion of your stack to draw. This actually cuts your implied odds for drawing (it boosts your "flopping monsters" implied odds, but J7s pretty much sucks at flopping monsters). J7s is principally a hand that's going to flop a lot of draws (two-pair/trip draws, flush draws, straight draws). So, I'm only calling here if the SPR will be high enough such that I can still draw and drawing will be profitable. Drawing really is not that profitable vs TAGs (when you're drawing to a flush, TAGs don't really pay off when it gets there). So, I need there to be a bad player in the pot. Having said that, if a bad player is in the pot I'm probably calling regardless of the fact that it's multi-way, so it being multi-way is not often a huge perk to get into these situations when you're 100bb deep. If you make the stacks deep, you kind of like that it's multi-way because it brings the whole stacks into play and the pot is not so big such that it cuts down on your implied odds. You're in the happy middle area then.

Thanks for all the reply's Threads, tired right now, will respond after some sleep.

Hi Threads,

on table 3 you wanted to raise you KQs on J85tt because you said on the turn there are a lot of turn cards you could rep. So for example if a 7 fell on the turn you could rep a T9 oesd completing on the turn. My question is, would you raise a c-bet with T9 of hearts here, or would you float because you wouldn't want to get blown off your equity by a flop 3-bet?

-Thanks.


Yes, I'd likely flat a T9 and then raise turn bets when I have more equity as compared to having to face turn bets more often when I don't have much equity. With T9s I know I'll have equity on the turn, with KQ BDFD/BDSD I'm not as sure. As you mentioned, I also don't mind getting 3-bet with KQs but with T9s it is more bothersome.

Basically, when I have a lot of pot equity I can call the flop and rely on it on later streets. When I don't have as much pot equity I like to "make up" for it by picking up FE right now by raising. The thing we want is a lot of equity (be it fold equity or pot equity). With an OESD we have enough such that we aren't required to raise (although it is an option). With the two backdoors and overs, we don't have as much, imo, and a raise becomes better.

Ok, I understand the gist of raising the flop with KQ w/backdoors because our equity is lower and we don't mind picking up the pot right now and we don't cry if we get moved off our hand, plus our equity is lower on the turn if we don't don't get help. However against a good player would you sometimes raise the T9s on the flop so we actually have a straight in our range on the turn since we plan on repping a made straight with a hand like KQs? So perhaps like an 80/20 call to raise ratio? Also it seems to me that your plan with floating a hand like T9s on that board on the turn is to....
A..Bet mostly when checked to as a semi-bluff
B. Raise a double barrel by particularly aggressive villains
C. Sometimes fold if villain isn't barreling and is honest on the turn.


-This is great discussion for me, thanks!

Ok, I understand the gist of raising the flop with KQ w/backdoors because our equity is lower and we don't mind picking up the pot right now and we don't cry if we get moved off our hand, plus our equity is lower on the turn if we don't don't get help. However against a good player would you sometimes raise the T9s on the flop so we actually have a straight in our range on the turn since we plan on repping a made straight with a hand like KQs? So perhaps like an 80/20 call to raise ratio? Also it seems to me that your plan with floating a hand like T9s on that board on the turn is to....
A..Bet mostly when checked to as a semi-bluff
B. Raise a double barrel by particularly aggressive villains
C. Sometimes fold if villain isn't barreling and is honest on the turn.


-This is great discussion for me, thanks!

I'm not too worried about a playing knowing whether or not I have T9 in my range. Most players aren't that good of hand readers and don't take that good of notes anyways. I suppose I'd raise it some small percentage of the time if I had a lot of respect for the player.

And yes, that's my plan in general. I also may double-float depending on how the stacks and pot look. I'd like to be able to have a river bluff-raise option though. If he just 3-barrels and we don't have enough to bluff-shove we never get an opportunity to bluff.

awesome, thanks Threads.

Time Link to 00:22:16

Hi Threads,

I really don't like your bet on the turn on table 3. We have showdown value and flush draw, so you are basically protecting against only 4 overcards. Also I don't think we make him fold anything better, maybe a hand like 77 or 88 (if he cbets those on the flop), but he might not even fold that.

The only reason I see for betting is so we can win a bigger pot if we hit our flush on the river, but I don't think villain will have a hand to call us on the river if we hit too often.

What do you think?

Hi Threads,

I really don't like your bet on the turn on table 3. We have showdown value and flush draw, so you are basically protecting against only 4 overcards. Also I don't think we make him fold anything better, maybe a hand like 77 or 88 (if he cbets those on the flop), but he might not even fold that.

The only reason I see for betting is so we can win a bigger pot if we hit our flush on the river, but I don't think villain will have a hand to call us on the river if we hit too often.

What do you think?

I feel like I would get him to fold down to Qx so I expected a lot of folds. I agree it's fairly close though.

Time Link to 00:08:28

Table 3

Why callin is not option there? You are afraid you have reversed implied ods with a K or a Q?

Time Link to 00:10:56

Table 4

We only need 2 streets to get the money in, why not checking to allow him to bluff?

Table 3

Why callin is not option there? You are afraid you have reversed implied ods with a K or a Q?

Definitely. Also, there's not much left to win to on my flush anyways.

Table 4

We only need 2 streets to get the money in, why not checking to allow him to bluff?

Definitely an option to consider. This particular board texture offers a lot of draws that I can get value now, and that I don't really want to give a free card to. Also, there are a lot of cards that can come that can freeze the action.

Time Link to 01:00:30

Is there a video where you go over the stats you use in your HUD and also the color codings in HUD and on full tilt notes? I use poker tracker is this hold em manager? Do you have a strong opinion on which is better?

Is there a video where you go over the stats you use in your HUD and also the color codings in HUD and on full tilt notes? I use poker tracker is this hold em manager? Do you have a strong opinion on which is better?

I don't go over my stats in any particular video, but these are the stats.

Name/Hands/Steal/BB fold vs Steal
VPIP/PFR/3-bet/Squeeze/Fold to 3-bet
Flop c-bet/Fold to flop c-bet/Donk bet flop/Limp-call
EP/MP/CO/SB/BTN,<------------------ (this line is all raise first in by postion)

In the next videos I have removed a few of them. Let me know if anything is unclear.


My color codes for FTP are :

green = fish
red = aggro reg
orange = tag
yellow = weak tag
blue = short stacker

In my HUD they are:
purple = 3-bets me a lot
red = will play very aggro pre
green = can 3-bet him a lot

I think that's all off of the top of my head.

This is HEM. From working with students who have PT3 and having HEM myself I feel I have a pretty educated opinion on the two. I think HEM is still vastly superior.

Time Link to 00:08:28

You say calling isn't good. But what if you were fairly confident he would fold to a shove if Diamonds got there and call a shove if Clubs got there?

You say calling isn't good. But what if you were fairly confident he would fold to a shove if Diamonds got there and call a shove if Clubs got there?

Problem is there isn't a lot of money left so he may just be shoving the right all the time. Also, that's a pretty specific read to have. Thus, it will be hard to get.

Time Link to 00:26:29

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I'm not too worried about a playing knowing whether or not I have T9 in my range. Most players aren't that good of hand readers and don't take that good of notes anyways. I suppose I'd raise it some small percentage of the time if I had a lot of respect for the player.

And yes, that's my plan in general. I also may double-float depending on how the stacks and pot look. I'd like to be able to have a river bluff-raise option though. If he just 3-barrels and we don't have enough to bluff-shove we never get an opportunity to bluff.

What value hands would you be raising in this spot? Or is your plan to be unbalanced until villain gives you some reason to balance with value hands?

What value hands would you be raising in this spot? Or is your plan to be unbalanced until villain gives you some reason to balance with value hands?

I'd typically be value-raising just the tip top of my range for starters, so sets and two-pair. If I was playing in a COvBTN situation vs an aggro player I may consider raising stuff like AQ, but typically I'm not worried about that until the player does something other than just fold unless he has TP or strong draws.

Hi threads13 ,

Firstly, great videos! I've gained a lot of knowledge about playing postflop. I'm very greatfull for those live sessions.

Could you please tell me something about your stats? I really want to know what is your % of VPIP/PFR/check-raise/sqz%/donkt betting/Agg%/FlopAgg%/TurnAgg%and river/c-bet/fold to c-bet.

Best regards