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The Ugly Duckling: Episode Five

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The Ugly Duckling: Episode Five by sthief09

Stheif09 and the Ugly Duckling. This week they discuss identifying weaknesses and addressing them. Stheif recaps where Adam has come from and where they are going as the series continues.

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Sthief09 (creator of Professor Plotkin and the +EVolution of a Poker Player) offers his take on this classic fairy tale. Watch Josh transform one of our members thinking about going pro from an ugly duckling to a swan.

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Magaca

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Hey Josh, if it's possible to do in SpadeEye, could you export your scoring filters and upload them somewhere? Smile

Or maybe just give some more detailed pointers as to how to make filters! Smile

I've only started watching the vid now, will post again after i'm done if there are any hands i need explanation to. Smile

Posted almost 3 years ago

Magaca

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At around 38:30 at table 4, you have opened 64cc and gotten called by the button and the big blind. Flop comes QcTc2s. You bet, button folds and BB calls. Turn is the Ts. You fire a second barrel and say something about it narrowing his range? Personally, i would think that this card was very good for his range. I expect his flop calling range to be something like any Q, any T, any 2, any draw, maybe some A-hi's. You are only folding out Aces and 2s? Please elaborate. Smile

At ~44 min, table 2 with the JJ. You open CO, regulars call on BTN and SB, flop is AT7tt, you cbet, turn blanks. What do you think about a c/r bluff here, repping a set or twopair? He raises 2pair+ on the flop, and i think his range here is an ace or a flushdraw.

Posted almost 3 years ago

ThatDeviant

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shades

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Time Link to 00:36:25

36min , KQ

If you think he would push TP on the flop then isnt his b/c range mostly
made up of draws , and if thats the case then the 6 Heart looks like the worst card we would even consider shoving on , i much rather a check back as you did esp since you have equity

Posted almost 3 years ago

shades

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Time Link to 00:37:21

You make it $4 when the sb limps into you and when its folded to you in the sb , i do the same but should we not look to raise lager when we are in the sb ?
Also i think i saw you make it the same when there was a limper , is it a case where you dont really want to make it any larger cas youl be OOP , or should we be looking to make it larger since there is the limper and we are OOP

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shades

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Time Link to 00:52:26

Would you not rather 4bet bluff with like Axs tpye hand than 4bet a good hand like AQ ? unless you had 4bet and he folded already then id like a 4bet here

Posted almost 3 years ago

shades

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Time Link to 01:09:40

KJo , you say its a loose call , really ? im rarely folding in this spot . CO vs BTn , he looks like a TAG so CO range would be widish , we have position , we could raise flops , float flops and hit flops with it

If you had totaly missed this flop , seems like a good spot to raise as a bluff ? not sure who it was that said monotone flops are always good to raise

Good video , really liking the series , i left a comment on last episode i was looking for your reply Josh , cheers

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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Hey Josh, if it's possible to do in SpadeEye, could you export your scoring filters and upload them somewhere? Smile

Or maybe just give some more detailed pointers as to how to make filters! Smile

I've only started watching the vid now, will post again after i'm done if there are any hands i need explanation to. Smile




I'll see if that's possible. worst case I'll post a screenshot.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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At around 38:30 at table 4, you have opened 64cc and gotten called by the button and the big blind. Flop comes QcTc2s. You bet, button folds and BB calls. Turn is the Ts. You fire a second barrel and say something about it narrowing his range? Personally, i would think that this card was very good for his range. I expect his flop calling range to be something like any Q, any T, any 2, any draw, maybe some A-hi's. You are only folding out Aces and 2s? Please elaborate. Smile



I've talked about this concept a couple of times throughout this series. It does definitely increase the number of hands in his range that he'll never ever fold, which is what you're saying.

However, it skews his range away from top and middle pair hands that he wouldn't fold anyway (I'm assuming if the turn was a 3, he wouldn't fold a T) and toward his A-hi, weak draws, and other junk a loose player could call on the flop. A loose player might call again with a decent club draw, but he probably folds his gutters and maybe some of his smaller flush draws which is obviously a great result for my hand.


At ~44 min, table 2 with the JJ. You open CO, regulars call on BTN and SB, flop is AT7tt, you cbet, turn blanks. What do you think about a c/r bluff here, repping a set or twopair? He raises 2pair+ on the flop, and i think his range here is an ace or a flushdraw.



That could work given the right image. You're probably correct that he raises 2 pair+ on the flop, though that isn't 100%. A read would be helpful here. Some people will bet Ax on the turn, and you can probably make him fold that. Some people check their Ax and stronger draws, and bet only their strongest and weakest hands which would probably make a c/r -EV. Even though it's expensive and marginal, it's great that you're being open-minded and creative and not just giving up without considering your options.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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36min , KQ

If you think he would push TP on the flop then isnt his b/c range mostly
made up of draws , and if thats the case then the 6 Heart looks like the worst card we would even consider shoving on , i much rather a check back as you did esp since you have equity




I think his range probably includes a lot of middle pair or A high type hands. I think a flush draw is more likely to bet-push than to bet-call with such a short stack, though of course it's possible he'd bet-call with one.

The equity argument works both ways. If I bluff without outs, it needs to succeed significantly more often than when I have 20 or 25% equity.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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You make it $4 when the sb limps into you and when its folded to you in the sb , i do the same but should we not look to raise lager when we are in the sb ?



Fundamentally, yes. I don't think it matters much though.

Also i think i saw you make it the same when there was a limper , is it a case where you dont really want to make it any larger cas youl be OOP , or should we be looking to make it larger since there is the limper and we are OOP



So you're saying there was a limper, then folded to me in SB and I raised it up right? In that spot I usually raise 4-5bb depending on his stack size (bigger when his stack his bigger), how poorly I think he plays, and somewhat by the strength of my hand.

Posted almost 3 years ago

tubasteve

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Time Link to 00:38:01

good vid so far, i think folding KK on A344 to a single bet would be atrocious though. the guys limp calling can have Ax, sure, but also all kinds of air that are just taking a stab at the pot.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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KJo , you say its a loose call , really ? im rarely folding in this spot . CO vs BTn , he looks like a TAG so CO range would be widish , we have position , we could raise flops , float flops and hit flops with it

If you had totaly missed this flop , seems like a good spot to raise as a bluff ? not sure who it was that said monotone flops are always good to raise

Good video , really liking the series , i left a comment on last episode i was looking for your reply Josh , cheers





Against a good aggro player without a fish in the blinds, I do think it's a bit loose. I still called so I obviously don't think it's TOO loose but I don't think it's an instacall. Sometimes I'll 3-bet there if I don't feel I can call profitably.

This flop is extremely threatening and definitely benefits the player in position. I'd agree this is a good flop to raise and often follow through on. The nice thing about having the J is there is some value, but also because there's one less J he can have to make AJ, JT, JJJ.

Thanks for the kind works. I'm about to go look for that post you made and I'll quote it in my next post.

Posted almost 3 years ago

tubasteve

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Against a good aggro player without a fish in the blinds, I do think it's a bit loose. I still called so I obviously don't think it's TOO loose but I don't think it's an instacall. Sometimes I'll 3-bet there if I don't feel I can call profitably.




if you have a good idea of how to float, i can't see folding KJ in that spot ever being better than at least calling (barring squeezy blinds or something like that). we have good equity against a CO range and we have position, so when we both miss, we get to win the pot! Smile

edit: just realized our opponent is perceived to be good, this def changes things but i'd prob call KJ a lot there anyhow.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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Yeah i have to agree with donk hero , very good video , one of the best ive watched in awhile , i really liked how you went over his stats , i only seemed to use HEM to review marked hands , you seem to have a good understanding of HEM is there any chance you would make a vid on how to review your HEM stats , the main problem i seem to have is not knowing what % or close to it is standard , like a fold vs 4bet should be around 40% (didnt know untill this vid) , is there some long printout of what a general TAGs stats should look like over a large sample ?? i know alot of stats depend on other stats but something to give a guideline perhaps. Also how many hands would you recommend to have before even bothering to have a indept look into HEM stats ?



I think I mentioned that fold to 4-bet is a bit dangerous and I don't use it all that often, mainly because you need something like 10k+ hands on a player to read much into it.

There are so many stats so it's tough to really list guidelines for them. If you name a few you're curious about, I'd be glad to go into more detail. On the HEM popup, it'll put a sample size in parentheses if there's greater than a given margin for error. You can use your judgment from there. If someone has folded folded to 11 out of 12 3-bets, you can be pretty confident that he's not playing back at 3-bets despite the small sample. If he's 7 for 12, you can't conclude much other than that he doesn't fall into either extreme.



I really enjoyed the review of the folding to 3bet hands , i have a much better understanding of 4bet bluffing , what hands to do it with , when to do it and how much to do it for , that is actualy something i realised i never do in my game , so this should help me out lots.



One piece of advice I have regarding 4-bets is don't do it too much. I try to have a reason, either a player who's 3-betting a lot, a particularly common 3-bet spot (SB vs BTN steal), or a hand with a blocker like Ax that makes it less likely for your opponent to have a premium hand.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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good vid so far, i think folding KK on A344 to a single bet would be atrocious though. the guys limp calling can have Ax, sure, but also all kinds of air that are just taking a stab at the pot.



Yeah fair enough. Something about this guy's stats look really straightforward to me, but you're right.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Magaca

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I've talked about this concept a couple of times throughout this series. It does definitely increase the number of hands in his range that he'll never ever fold, which is what you're saying.

However, it skews his range away from top and middle pair hands that he wouldn't fold anyway (I'm assuming if the turn was a 3, he wouldn't fold a T) and toward his A-hi, weak draws, and other junk a loose player could call on the flop. A loose player might call again with a decent club draw, but he probably folds his gutters and maybe some of his smaller flush draws which is obviously a great result for my hand.




So what your saying is basically that the T makes it less likely (combinatorically) that he has a hand to continue with, and that his range for calling the flop is wide enough that it's a good board to barrel?

Thanks a lot for commenting Josh Heart

Posted almost 3 years ago

sthief09

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So what your saying is basically that the T makes it less likely (combinatorically) that he has a hand to continue with, and that his range for calling the flop is wide enough that it's a good board to barrel?



yes, exactly. against a tight player, it's not a very good card, but against a loose player it is a good one.

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Magaca

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shades

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16:50 you get min 3b when you are on the button w T6s. I call these min reraises alot, is that a leak? Your getting so good odds, but I guess its hard to proceed when you don't know what his range is.

Would never have thought turn cbetting pairing cards against loose players would be good, that was a big eye opener for me awesome stuff!

I was wondering if you could elaborate a bit more on your preflop opening and isolation sizes? As I understood you open 4x UTG, 3.5x HJ, 3x CO, 2-2.5x BTN, 4x SB (do you start opening to less when you get 3b alot? And what about if its a nit in the BB?), so basicly after position. But didn't really understand your "system" for isolation size, and the reason behind it? If you could explain a bit more about that it would be awesome.
Also do you raise bigger when you get deeper (or 3b bigger)?

Posted almost 3 years ago



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