Stuffing the Penguin Episode Three

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Stuffing the Penguin Episode Three

Stuffing the Penguin -- Part 2 of 3: whitelime and KRANTZ continue to explore the differences between 5/10 and 10/20 and develop detailed reads on their regular opponents over a long session at 2000nl. Winner of the challenge is whoever wins the most money over 500 hands and neither is allowed to monitor how the other player is doing.

tags: whitelime pr1nnyraid krantz stuffing penguin 10/20 nl shorthanded challenge

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Clash of the titans. whitelime and KRANTZ battle each other in a series of high-stakes, daring challenges designed to explore what it takes to move beyond solid winning TAG play into the mindset of an elite No-Limit player. Immerse yourself deep within their thought processes in whitelime's half, "Stuffing the Penguin," or KRANTZ's, "Lime Slicer."

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Comments for Stuffing the Penguin Episode Three

joethepro
Pair of Deuces
223 posts
Joined 01/08

whitelime, the best part of the commentary is while you're talking about a hand, you often state other situations in addition to the one that took place, for example, you'll say, if he had checked there instead, i would have checked behind, or if he had raised, i would have...

it's like we get double the information for every hand.

i have one question. at 45:53 when you 4-bet dmoogle to 575 with QTo, if he pushes all in the rest of his 2k, is this a fold?

Posted Jan 18, 2008 4:03am

tapped_out
Deuce High
47 posts
Joined 01/08

I'm about 12 mins into the vid but I just wanted to say that you took that beat from success very well(esp after just losing a flip). Sometimes things like that will irritate me a bit or at least spark some sort of reaction, but you seemed completely unphased, almost like it didn't even happen....very good attitude it seems like


Also, I liked how you analyzed a hand around the 12minute mark. It is definitely helpful hearing you talk a little more in depth about some of the big hands that are playing or have played out.

Posted Jan 18, 2008 11:36am

tapped_out
Deuce High
47 posts
Joined 01/08

I just got done watching the rest of the video and it's easily your best yet. You seemed to go into more detail than the first two as far as examining other players hands and also mentioning alternate lines in a few important pots.

The hand 50 minutes in is interesting b/c he could easily have a FD there. It looks like a spot where he has the Q or nothing but you folded rather quickly? Like you said, he has to think a queen is a good part of your range so how is he firing again...definitely a little suspicious IMO.



i have one question. at 45:53 when you 4-bet dmoogle to 575 with QTo, if he pushes all in the rest of his 2k, is this a fold?



QT is a huge dog to dmoogle's shoving range, it would be a snap fold.

Posted Jan 18, 2008 11:24pm

Partylurker
Deuce High
31 posts
Joined 01/08

towards the end of the vid my meds started kicking in and my focus was moved from the poker contend to looking at all the animals jumping around on screen. Hizzy looked very angry cuz he lost so much. Definitely gonna have to look this video again with a clearer presence of mind.

Posted Jan 19, 2008 9:32am

whitelime
Exec Producer
Pair of Deuces
153 posts
Joined 01/08

whitelime, the best part of the commentary is while you're talking about a hand, you often state other situations in addition to the one that took place, for example, you'll say, if he had checked there instead, i would have checked behind, or if he had raised, i would have...

it's like we get double the information for every hand.

i have one question. at 45:53 when you 4-bet dmoogle to 575 with QTo, if he pushes all in the rest of his 2k, is this a fold?



Yeah, it's definitely a fold. That's the main reason you should keep your 4-bet sizes small is that you are never committed to calling an all-in with a hand you don't want to.

Posted Jan 21, 2008 10:11pm

Constantine585
Deuce High
9 posts
Joined 01/08

I have a question about the software you are using. In hands where people are mucking the losing hand when they're calling river bets, what software are you using that shows you what they mucked? Sorry if this question has already been asked in other threads.

Posted Jan 22, 2008 9:10pm

dzejkej
Pair of Deuces
209 posts
Joined 01/08

I have a question about the software you are using. In hands where people are mucking the losing hand when they're calling river bets, what software are you using that shows you what they mucked? Sorry if this question has already been asked in other threads.



Two things is showing you mucked hands:
1) PokerAce Hud
2) "LAST HAND" button in top left corner ;)

Posted Jan 22, 2008 9:40pm

Constantine585
Deuce High
9 posts
Joined 01/08

I have a question about the software you are using. In hands where people are mucking the losing hand when they're calling river bets, what software are you using that shows you what they mucked? Sorry if this question has already been asked in other threads.

Two things is showing you mucked hands:
1) PokerAce Hud
2) "LAST HAND" button in top left corner ;)



Thanks dzejkej. Weird, because when I check "Last Hand" on fulltilt in a pot where a player called, lost, and mucked, it never shows what he was holding.

Posted Jan 22, 2008 9:48pm

AZJD
Deuce High
56 posts
Joined 01/08

Whitelime,

at about 30:50 you play a very interesting hand vs. DC10FIREBALL with 3c4c on the small blind. Can you expand on a few points please?

1. When you check to induce on the flop, aren't you worried about protecting your hand? With bottom pair and a 3 kicker, aren't you going to always wonder if you are good when you check/call? Unless you improve, of course.

2. So you improve and check the turn. Were you planning big check/raise or check/call again?

3. River play is where I really need some help. At this point, I viewed the Jack as one of the worst possible cards that could come. When you check/raise, I really expect him to call only when you are beat and you said you would fold if he reraised. If I had played the hand like you had to this point I would have check/called or bet myself but I wouldn't really consider a check/raise because I would expect him to fold anything I beat here. Also, I wouldn't really expect him to bet very often with one pair hands so I may bet to get some value from my 2 pair if he was holding a J or T.

Anyway, I was impressed with the value you got in this hand and would really like to understand this completely.

Thank you.

Posted Feb 4, 2008 7:54pm

jgunnip
Deuce High
91 posts
Joined 01/08

You have to be dealt in to see the mucked showdown hands.

Posted Feb 5, 2008 12:05am

HughJazzCracka
Deuce High
6 posts
Joined 08/08

How do you decide when to throw away KQo to a single raise and when to reraise with it?
I seem to lose a lot of value when I don't reraise when I should and lose a lot of money when I do and shouldn't have.

Posted Aug 26, 2008 3:31am

HughJazzCracka
Deuce High
6 posts
Joined 08/08

At the same time as folding the KQo, you decide to reraise with Kc7c from the button.
How do you decide when is the right time to play these that way?

Posted Aug 26, 2008 3:36am