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whitelime vs. pr1nnyraid: Stuffing the Penguin Season Premiere

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whitelime vs. pr1nnyraid: Stuffing the Penguin Season Premiere by whitelime

From whitelime's perspective... whitelime and KRANTZ talk about what it takes to beat 5/10nl and look for ways to exploit their opponent as they race to win the most money in 200 hands. The loser of the challenge? Oh, he just gets pied in the face.

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Clash of the titans. whitelime and KRANTZ battle each other in a series of high-stakes, daring challenges designed to explore what it takes to move beyond solid winning TAG play into the mindset of an elite No-Limit player. Immerse yourself deep within their thought processes in whitelime's half, "Stuffing the Penguin," or KRANTZ's, "Lime Slicer."

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 63 minutes long
  • Posted about 4 years ago

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Comments for whitelime vs. pr1nnyraid: Stuffing the Penguin Season Premiere

Kwantum

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694 posts
Joined 01/2008

Hey Whitelime, cool video.

One thing I would like to suggest is that you move your PAHUD stats some so that after hands, when the HUD flashes what people had at showdown, the view of the cards isn't obscured.

Posted over 4 years ago

tubasteve

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i personally would also like to see your own stats over the session, think you could add them somewhere? (for the future of course)

Posted over 4 years ago

Messiah

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277 posts
Joined 01/2008

I know whitelime is away, but when he comes back I would like to see a few more comments on the KJss hand where he flops trips at ~ 33:25 especially the turn and river.

Posted over 4 years ago

TheProdigy

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Joined 01/2008

Well done!

I really like the commentary on finding certain weak players and tells that aren't based only on stats. I use some of these but some are also things I haven't thought about.

Posted over 4 years ago

FBP

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I agree with messiah. This KJs is the one hand where i was surprised (as in i think i disagree) by his thought process.

Flop is fine, and smart. But on the turn, against an apparently good regular, you'd expect him to shut down with bluffs on a brick like this, because he knows you have something, and you're not folding this brick. Also you can possibly expect him to pot control with medium hands, and take the freecard with flush draws. Doesn't look so good against his range.

About the river i'm fine with checking it since we check the turn (although we miss value from Ace high/weak 1 pair).
But, about the checkraise, don't you think he's going to put us on a busted flush draw (or just FOS)and talks himself into a hero call (if he has a pocket pair mostly) here since you've been so aggressive?
Or maybe i'm just rambling about the river, i was more surprised about the turn play really.

Posted over 4 years ago

Messiah

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I agree with messiah. This KJs is the one hand where i was surprised (as in i think i disagree) by his thought process.

Flop is fine, and smart. But on the turn, against an apparently good regular, you'd expect him to shut down with bluffs on a brick like this, because he knows you have something, and you're not folding this brick. Also you can possibly expect him to pot control with medium hands, and take the freecard with flush draws. Doesn't look so good against his range.

About the river i'm fine with checking it since we check the turn (although we miss value from Ace high/weak 1 pair).
But, about the checkraise, don't you think he's going to put us on a busted flush draw (or just FOS)and talks himself into a hero call (if he has a pocket pair mostly) here since you've been so aggressive?
Or maybe i'm just rambling about the river, i was more surprised about the turn play really.



I echo many of the same feelings about the turn and river, but wanted to let whitelime go more in-depth before I added my own thoughts. Cheers!

Posted over 4 years ago

Jeff W

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Joined 01/2008

I don't like the first hand. On the turn, I think c/r AI is the play--the Ace is an ideal card for PFR to double barrel and the BD hearts hitting helps us credibly represent a semi-bluff so we can get paid off by like AK/AJ etc. from pfr.

Posted over 4 years ago

Stake Monster

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Awesome video and a great debut. Looking forward to lots more.

Posted over 4 years ago

whitelime

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Kwantum, definitely a good suggestion. I need to add in some more relevant stats as well.

Tubasteve, I'll try to remember to stick in my own stats next time I play a session.

The KJss hand, Namco turned out to be a decent regular but with the information I had on him at the time he just seemed like a bluffy, bad lag. I expected him to have air very often and to once in a while have rivered a boat or a straight. I just never expected him to have something in between, and even less often expected him to value bet something in between. With that being said, given more stats on him, I definitely think C/R on the river is the correct play.

Jeff, the A5 hand, I agree we can represent a lot of combo draws or semi-bluffs when the backdoor flush draw comes on the turn, but the problem is I just don't think the PFR fires AK or AJ that often when he gets called in two spots. I think the line I took prevents free cards and charges draws. Overall, it's just a bad spot where it will be difficult to get paid off by worse the way the hand went down.

Posted over 4 years ago

sthief09

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Joined 07/2007

hijack with 50 bb stack opens and you have K9s on the button. why are you less likely to call than if he had 100 bb stack? obviously position is less of an advantage for you, and your hand doesn't figure to do great hot-and-cold, but i feel like that's exactly the type of hand that goes up in value against a half-stack. any top pair will be a strong all-in hand, and it's short enough where you can play some modest draws pretty hard. and any flop raise will leverage your entire stack, which is a nice bonus

really great vid. you speak slowly and articulately and it's very easy to listen to

Posted over 4 years ago

dohdohdoh

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I have a question about the KJ hand where the board shows trip Kings by the river.

Other guy bets the river....our man has trip Kings...why not reraise? Afraid of being outkicked or full house possibility?

Posted over 4 years ago

luciddream

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I have a question about the KJ hand where the board shows trip Kings by the river.

Other guy bets the river....our man has trip Kings...why not reraise? Afraid of being outkicked or full house possibility?



because he puts villains range on mostly bluffs which can't call so he figures the only hands that can call are all better hands. if he had AK or even KQ a c/r would have a lot more merit because there are now some worse K's that can call.

Posted over 4 years ago

Partylurker

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34 posts
Joined 01/2008

Very nice vids from both you and Krantz. I only started playing 5/10 a while ago, and there were many points discussed and moves that I found helpful.

Posted over 4 years ago

SeanC

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Bonzaaaj

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Scipio

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I don´t understand the 96s hand (minute 58).

My thought process would be :

I´m allways beat or he fires a bluffbet at any street. So our midpair doesn´t have showdownvalue.
That´s why i would play my hand as a draw and bet the flop. At the turn i don´t see worse hands calling so you decide to semibluff the turn instead the flop. Okay, his range on the turn is weaker than on the flop but we have allready shown weakness and he could call without an ace. Also we give him a chance to bet a hand like KQs on the flop or drawing out.
Where is my mistake?

Another question to the A5s hand early in the video : It is a misstake to just fold on the flop?

Posted over 4 years ago

whitelime

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The 96s hand, I think our hand just is not that vulnerable. And generally against a smart player, when I check an A high board in a RR pot, I just don't expect them to bluff often. Also on the turn, there are many hands we could've played like this, so I don't think we have to be weak just because we checked the flop.

The A5s hand, it's definitely not a mistake just to fold the flop. Looking at it some more, calling might have actually been a mistake.

Posted over 4 years ago

joethepro

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Joined 01/2008

whitelime, you mentioned that in general, when you have very loose players behind you, your opening hand standards should tighten up.

do you mean only top pair hands like the one you had when you mentioned this (A9).

or does this also include speculative hands? if they are loose passive, would you still need to tighten up (like one gap suited connectors?)

Posted over 4 years ago

LOL_CARDRUNNERS

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Joined 03/2008

YUMMYBUFFET

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Got me thinking about check-calling more on the flop...since i fold to much when i check the flop. Also was helpful seeing you fold the KQ hand where the board was AKx and you c/f the river since he wasn't likely enough to bluff...I would've called but folding makes sense now. Thanks!

Posted about 4 years ago

nightowl89

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Joined 04/2008

absolutely amazing episode, imo well worth the sites fee, will defo be watching more, i learnt a hell of a lot from you commentary and agree with most moves, i'm just suprised you can get away with such a laggy style

Posted about 4 years ago

HughJazzCracka

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Joined 08/2008

The video starts playing in fast-forward at around 32:28 and continues for the rest of the video. No sound, unwatchable after that point.

Posted almost 4 years ago

ClumpyMilk

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Awesome overall idea for a series, very entertaining Smile

Posted 7 months ago



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