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villain in this live 1-2 hand is a guy who regularly plays white chip and my friend says is among the best in the world. ive only seen him spew at 1-2 though, maybe the limit if just not signficant enough for him. in this session he had been raising tons pf (9 handed) and winning a lot of pots uncontested. in a previous 5 handed session months ago i saw him burn through 100+ bbs for basically no reason. fwiw i have played almost no hands, been fairly passive the times i have, and given villain no reason to suspect im anything but tight and careful.

i get KK utg+1 and raise, he 3 bets on button, tight solid player calls in the sb, i call.

the flop is J43. checked to button who bets, sb c/res, i c/3 bet, btn caps, sb folds, i call.

the turn is 2. i plan to c/r but btn foils this and checks behind.

the river is 5. i check, btn bets, i ???

comments on all streets please.

hi mike, i don't mind not capping pf if it's hu, but once the sb takes 2.5 to the face, i cap pf.

as played i think i would frankly lead the turn. the guy sounds aggro and spewy and overfancy and i think there's a decent chance he could have overs or a flush draw that he will check behind on the turn, given this flop. i also am not sure i'm superhappy if we c/r the turn and he 3b, so it seems sort of like i want 1 or 2 bets going in on the turn.

as played obviously the river is gross, but the pot is big, we took an odd line, and the guy is aggro and can spew/bluff, and it's a great bluff card, so i would certainly call.

what do you think about what i was thinking for pf and turn play? definitely interested in hearing your thoughts.

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::Warning:: Wholly unqualified response, but I assume you're looking to foster discussion that will help us, not you.

Preflop: I don't think the deceptive advantage we'd like over the button is worth the 2 SB we'll make by capping. If it's HU I'm ok with it. I also tend to default to playing more straightforward when I'm going to be oop.

Flop: I play same.

Turn: I'd love to say I'd donk it, but that's results oriented and donking is asking to get owned. I like your play, although I'm not necessarily looking to trap the SB's possible AJ here. He's probably not folding it anyhow, so who cares. (how can the SB take this PF line if he's tight and solid, anyhow?)

River: I realize this is the most interesting street, but I have no clue what to do here. I assume the SB folded? If so, I cry-call feeling like under-repped my hand.

::Warning:: Wholly unqualified response, but I assume you're looking to foster discussion that will help us, not you.

Preflop: I don't think the deceptive advantage we'd like over the button is worth the 2 SB we'll make by capping. If it's HU I'm ok with it. I also tend to default to playing more straightforward when I'm going to be oop.

Flop: I play same.

Turn: I'd love to say I'd donk it, but that's results oriented and donking is asking to get owned. I like your play, although I'm not necessarily looking to trap the SB's possible AJ here. He's probably not folding it anyhow, so who cares. (how can the SB take this PF line if he's tight and solid, anyhow?)

River: I realize this is the most interesting street, but I have no clue what to do here. I assume the SB folded? If so, I cry-call feeling like under-repped my hand.

sb folded the flop and it's hu on the turn

as for pf i normally cap here against more than hu, but since it was exactly 3 players felt i could possibly extract a bit more out of button (and sb) if i just call. a cap would look to monstrous to them so deception had a little more value than normal. it is highly debatable though. another thing was i was sure that if i just called pf the action on the flop would almost always go btn bets, sb c/res. but if i had capped pf i wouldve been forced to bet the flop and id likely be met with two calls most of the time against their ranges. so i insured myself of collecting back a big bet almost always.
ill let others speculate to the sorts of hands sb could have here before chiming in on that.

if btn had 3 bet the turn i wouldve 4 bet since i had went to great efforts to under-rep my hand so he would spew with other hands.

I'll take a shot - SB has a hand like 88?

call. btn should bet this riv with his entire range imo

Yeah I think you have to check/call the river. It's a little less appealing if you have the king of spades, but still necessary given the pot odds you are getting and the fact that your 'expert' may think you will fold often enough to justify a bet.

I also prefer capping preflop, and if people are really slowing down too much versus you in these spots, I'd rather just make an occassional loose raise/3bet/cap preflop to get a crazier image, rather than try to disguise my premium hands by underrepresenting them.

As played flop is good and turn is fine, though betting out is okay too. Really depends on how often you think he will take a free one, and what kind of ranges raise your turn bet and 3bet a turn check/raise.

How much weight do you give your friend's advice?

Based on the reads that you have developed on him in two sessions, I think this is an easy call given the 10bb pot.