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Seat 1: Ansky451 ($22,321)
Seat 2: FLIPokeHer ($10,000)
FLIPokeHer posts the small blind of $25
Ansky451 posts the big blind of $50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ansky451 [9s 9d]
FLIPokeHer raises to $150
Ansky451 calls $100
*** FLOP *** [2c Ks 9c]
Ansky451 checks
FLIPokeHer checks
*** TURN *** [2c Ks 9c] [3h]
Ansky451 bets $250
FLIPokeHer has 15 seconds left to act
FLIPokeHer calls $250
*** RIVER *** [2c Ks 9c 3h] [4h]
Ansky451 has 15 seconds left to act
Ansky451 bets $650
FLIPokeHer has 15 seconds left to act
Ansky451 has been disconnected
Ansky451 has reconnected
FLIPokeHer has requested TIME
FLIPokeHer raises to $2,150
Ansky451 has 15 seconds left to act

Hm....

I think its a call. I don't know anything about FLIP but vs a highstakes reg I assume on this board his range is polarized to straights and sets and bluffs. If he's value raising 2 pair a high percentage then 3 betting could be good.

I don't really think it could ever be a fold, especially from a game theory pov. But if his bluffing range isn't optimal and he isn't value raising 2 pair I guess you could consider a fold.

I think its a call. I don't know anything about FLIP but vs a highstakes reg I assume on this board his range is polarized to straights and sets and bluffs. If he's value raising 2 pair a high percentage then 3 betting could be good.

I don't really think it could ever be a fold, especially from a game theory pov. But if his bluffing range isn't optimal and he isn't value raising 2 pair I guess you could consider a fold.

Certainly never considering a fold, just wondering if anyone likes a small 3b or a shove over a flat.

I'd say 3bet 99, but call 22 in this spot.

I'd say 3bet 99, but call 22 in this spot.

What type of read would you want to have to be able to 3 bet 22 for value.

Also what is the argument, for 3 betting small/ 3 bet jamming.

I would probably call. I dont think he calls 3 bet with two pair unless you have any special dynamics in this match (and any 2 pair he does have is likey to be a weak two pair - 34, 94 etc). Obv he folds any bluffs. He will prob call 3 bet with 44, 56 and A5. (56 unlikely given turn action).
If you 3 bet dont shove i think he can fold 44 then. Also if you 3 bet to say 5k and he 4 bets whats your plan? I would call there is little value in 3 betting imo and you get to see how he played whatever he has.

I'd say 3bet 99, but call 22 in this spot.

There are only 6 combos of difference though

Anksy, how many combos of 65, A5 does he have by this river?

I usually shove vs players that wont fold 94/24, but against really good players who can fold 2 pair shoving becomes slightly worse, so against FLIP I would just call (I am also assuming he has a ton of combos of A5 though aswell as a 65 but I maybe wrong)

I think the right play here depends on your individual history, gamleflow, how you view your abilities and disabilities.

I like a small 3b to 2 - 2.5x. But if you guys are shoving each regularly deep. Then I prefer shoving. He will fell tempted to call with TP, I think. Because otherwise he will feel exploitable to the missed obvious draw. Any other history avaialbe of how you guys play when the obvious draw missed.

And the problem about 3b small is.... What to do when he shoves?!

Min 3Bet to induce a bluff. His likely range is two pair, he would have likely raised with draw on the turn.

Can't this be a rivered back door straight a lot with clubs?
A5cc
56cc
34cc
44

His turn call is where we gain info unless he planned on floating to bluff a club on the river.
Either way I hate flatting but I hate raising and being shoved on.

why not 3 bet pre somewhat deepstacked?

Hmmm theres only 2 clubs on the board! 4 card flushes dont play!
Raising to induce a bluff is a bad idea - why would he bluff shove 200bb in what isnt that big a pot when the opponent has shown extreme strength 3 betting the river. I dont think many good players will call the 3 bet with two pair unless there are some other dynamics going on.

was making the point that he would peel with a club draw on turn which would explain why 34 56 and A5 cc would peel turn.

ceegee - Yeah sorry fair point - i misread your post.

There are only 6 combos of difference though

Anksy, how many combos of 65, A5 does he have by this river?

I usually shove vs players that wont fold 94/24, but against really good players who can fold 2 pair shoving becomes slightly worse, so against FLIP I would just call (I am also assuming he has a ton of combos of A5 though aswell as a 65 but I maybe wrong)

15 combos A5, would be crazy if he has 65

15 combos A5, would be crazy if he has 65

15:S

How come not 16?

Why does he not have 65 here?

May sound like a trivially dumb question but at higher stakes do you really expect 65 to cbet on the flop 100% of the time)