Prologion
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Time Link to 01:12:43
QQ:
You said that he has on the river never a jack.
Why not?
Imo a check back from him with a jack would be nice on the turn b/c after only C/Called the Drawheavy board as PFA our range is capped:
You have neither FDs most of the time (where he should protect), nor you have 2Pair+ (where he also should protect and could extract value).
Your oerceived range is very weak and will C/Fold turn most of the time.
So a CB on turn with a jack is imo for him not too bad.
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is it really that hard to not time out? you say its the software yet you have the time button clicked, you can see the timer counting, and still fail to make plays and then say "you would have done something else". make the correct play, and explain it after the fact.
+1 definitely good stuff inside but the fact you timed out so many hands made me tilt hard.
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GingerViking
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I don't understand PF raise sizes:
UTG = 4x
MP = 3.5x
CO = 3x
Btn = 2.5x
Surely it should be the other way around since we make most of our money from playing in position? For example if I am on button with 78s I would rather raise big to build pot so I can outplay villain in position and take down bigger pot when they miss and c/f flop.
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Grindcore
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I don't understand PF raise sizes:
UTG = 4x
MP = 3.5x
CO = 3x
Btn = 2.5x
Surely it should be the other way around since we make most of our money from playing in position? For example if I am on button with 78s I would rather raise big to build pot so I can outplay villain in position and take down bigger pot when they miss and c/f flop.
A general concept that applies to almost every spot in poker:
The more often a certain action is for value, the larger you want to make it. The more often a certain action is as a bluff, the smaller you want to make it. If it's obvious we have a strong hand, we might as well make it larger to price out draws etc, and if we're weaker we want to lose less money when we get called. UTG you raise tight, so it's often a value raise, so our size should be larger. On the button we're usually stealing, so we want to make it smaller.
Generalities aside, if we are raising tight from UTG because we're OOP etc, then making it 2.5 allows our opponents to call cheaply with speculative hands that can crack our narrow range and easily outplay in position too. The postflop stacks are also relatively deeper as there's less in the pot, so hands like unimproved AA go down in value and sets/straights go up in value, which increases the value of the hands that are calling us while decreasing the value of the hands we're raising ourselves.
Also on the button, when we raise, we want our opponents to fold. We don't want to get called. You only want to get called if you're raising tight. If your button raising range is so tight that you want to get called, you should loosen up. Against many opponents it's +EV to steal with any 2 cards because they fold so much. If we make it 2.5 and they fold, we win the blinds. If we make it 4 we win the blinds too. If we make it 2.5 and we get 3b we lose 2.5 when we fold, instead of 4. Sure 4 gets slightly more folds, but not enough to compensate for the loss we suffer the fewer times they don't fold.
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GingerViking
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I have had the mind set that we make the most money on the button. So we want to make money by raising and getting called and then winning the pot post flop when villain misses, rather than just to steal blinds. (I play uNL)
Why is this wrong?
P.S thanks for replying 
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Grindcore
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In HEM, put a filter on facing unopened (filters, edit, untag all the other facing ones), and check your winrate by position. If you take down the blinds 100% of the time from the button and never get called, your winrate will be 150bb/100. Your actual winrate will be lower (unless your sample is too small and you ran good)... That's because you get called or 3b and profit less. Unless your opponents are really bad postflop (like fish callingstations), in which case we want to be playing tighter (as we can't bluff them to win, we need to valuebet and to valuebet you need a hand), and when we're mostly valueraising our raise size should increase again, which increases the callingstation's mistake. At microstakes such a situation (very bad players in the blinds) will occur quite often, so raising larger there is fine. But my series doesn't focus on how to beat fish at uNL. It's geared towards players already beating uNL (or small and even midstakes) with a standard weaktigh "solid" ABC strategy, to help them beat other regulars by deviating from the standard game. At NL100+ the odds of the player in the blind being too tight are much larger than the odds of him being a fish callingstation, so your strategy should be based around that, which is 2.5x.
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cpau33
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T9s on JT6r2 board
you said its a good spot to 2barel or c/c but I dont understand why you would do that.
my thought:
bb is a fish so he will call light preflop obv and on the flop. So cbetting the flop for value vs him is good because he can call worst Tx, 6x, 77,88,99, 89, Q9.
Once he called the flop, I dont think passive vilain will bluff a lot after checked to so why are you c/cing?
And you said that with AT here, you would 2barel but again, I dont see lots of worst hands that call turn and the 2barel doesnt fold better hand imo..
Can you explain me why a 2nd barel is good here?
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Grindcore
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T9s on JT6r2 board
you said its a good spot to 2barel or c/c but I dont understand why you would do that.
my thought:
bb is a fish so he will call light preflop obv and on the flop. So cbetting the flop for value vs him is good because he can call worst Tx, 6x, 77,88,99, 89, Q9.
Once he called the flop, I dont think passive vilain will bluff a lot after checked to so why are you c/cing?
And you said that with AT here, you would 2barel but again, I dont see lots of worst hands that call turn and the 2barel doesnt fold better hand imo..
Can you explain me why a 2nd barel is good here?
If I double barrel 2nd pair, I'll bet like 50% pot. Maybe even 40%. Fish won't fold any pair to it, and will also keep calling any draw (AQ KQ K9 Q9 98 87). You're definitely ahead of their callingranges in those spots. The drawier the flop, the better the bet becomes. c/c is good to let him bluff his draws and A high calls etc. I can't remember the session but when I looked at the hand in the video I heard myself saying I had a read on the guy that he autobets (or vbets razor thin), so he'd likely be betting any pair when checked to, which makes a c/c good as he'll bet 6x and 88 etc.
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cpau33
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96s on table 3:
You said you should have bet the flop 4ways
why do you want to bet it ? I mean there is 3 other players in the pot so you will get a call often in this spot and I dont think people will call with worst here a lot. AT-T8 are possible, a better 9 also.. What would you do on the turn after get called on the flop? are you betting again for value/protection or ck back to try to get to showdown ?
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Grindcore
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96s on table 3:
You said you should have bet the flop 4ways
why do you want to bet it ? I mean there is 3 other players in the pot so you will get a call often in this spot and I dont think people will call with worst here a lot. AT-T8 are possible, a better 9 also.. What would you do on the turn after get called on the flop? are you betting again for value/protection or ck back to try to get to showdown ?
The video is really old so I don't remember my reads or anything, but if I bet there I'm betting around half or 1/3rd pot, just to fold out random overcards etc. Whether I'll continue on the turn depends on the action and the turncard. I'll probably end up 3barreling quite a bit if I feel they show weakness.
If I had good reasons to think button would autobet when checked to, checking is far superior though. But BU might be more straight forward in a multiway pot than HU.
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