Ajax2580
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I know this is old but I was just rewatching some of my favorite videos and tried using the notetaking and other methods Wiltontilt talked about in Haj School and its crazy how much good stuff and great poker theory there is in the coaching tree videos and you realize it even more when you're actively thinking and notetaking.
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simpleasspie
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ducesx
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Just stumbled upon this series after going thru Road to robusto and alot others and this one really blew my mind. My jaw is on the floor and I have no idea of what to do with all this information - massive overload! 
This is the bomb! I will be re-watching this series many, many times.
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simpleasspie
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pretty old thread but,
AT hand, in villain's shoes how would you play his hand? You are 2buyins deep, so id assume you d call with T8s in position. He flopped top pair with a flush draw, so you have to call a flop bet and the turn one; and when you get to the river its very unlikely that you're behind, cuz your opponent has to 3bet A2s, low pairs which is very unlikely someones doing that at this level or some suited tens and theres only 2 of them left in the deck so there are very few combos of that; so hes probably value betting big overpairs here often. Cuz you talked about this spot as him calling too lightly pre and post flop, maybe you/I got something wrong?
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TripQuads
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pretty old thread but,
AT hand, in villain's shoes how would you play his hand? You are 2buyins deep, so id assume you d call with T8s in position. He flopped top pair with a flush draw, so you have to call a flop bet and the turn one; and when you get to the river its very unlikely that you're behind, cuz your opponent has to 3bet A2s, low pairs which is very unlikely someones doing that at this level or some suited tens and theres only 2 of them left in the deck so there are very few combos of that; so hes probably value betting big overpairs here often. Cuz you talked about this spot as him calling too lightly pre and post flop, maybe you/I got something wrong?
I just re-watched this video and had the same thought. I can't see where this player made any kind of big mistake with T8s. /shrug
Posted about 3 years ago
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Pokerfarm
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I saw this series ages ago but have decided to watch it all again. Anyways, I don't know how to do the time-stamp but it's roughly at 52:00. The scenario is pretty self explanatory, you don't really need mch context.
Hero is dealt 77 in the SB, the CO opened to pot and the button called. You both(Baluga and Tubasteve) agreed that squeezing here is terrible. I didn't really think you explained why that well.
Is it because our hand has better post-flop equity than it does preflop? Thsi was the logic that I felt that you were using. If we 3-bet here (squeeze) we should know that we are 3-bet bluffing and merely trying to take down the dead money. Is that sooo bad? 77 looks and plays better than say 22 or 33 but when we miss most flops and are OOP, we are forced to check-fold a hell of a lot of the time. Also, when we manage to flop a set, we are still OOP and getting stacks will not always be easy.
Is my thinking backwards here? How am I meant to think about this spot?
Posted about 3 years ago
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Pokerfarm
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I saw this series ages ago but have decided to watch it all again. Anyways, I don't know how to do the time-stamp but it's roughly at 52:00. The scenario is pretty self explanatory, you don't really need mch context.
Hero is dealt 77 in the SB, the CO opened to pot and the button called. You both(Baluga and Tubasteve) agreed that squeezing here is terrible. I didn't really think you explained why that well.
Is it because our hand has better post-flop equity than it does preflop? Thsi was the logic that I felt that you were using. If we 3-bet here (squeeze) we should know that we are 3-bet bluffing and merely trying to take down the dead money. Is that sooo bad? 77 looks and plays better than say 22 or 33 but when we miss most flops and are OOP, we are forced to check-fold a hell of a lot of the time. Also, when we manage to flop a set, we are still OOP and getting stacks will not always be easy.
Is my thinking backwards here? How am I meant to think about this spot?
Posted about 3 years ago
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Pokerfarm
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saw this series ages ago but have decided to watch it all again. Anyways, I don't know how to do the time-stamp but it's roughly at 52:00. The scenario is pretty self explanatory, you don't really need mch context.
Hero is dealt 77 in the SB, the CO opened to pot and the button called. You both(Baluga and Tubasteve) agreed that squeezing here is terrible. I didn't really think you explained why that well.
Is it because our hand has better post-flop equity than it does preflop? Thsi was the logic that I felt that you were using. If we 3-bet here (squeeze) we should know that we are 3-bet bluffing and merely trying to take down the dead money. Is that sooo bad? 77 looks and plays better than say 22 or 33 but when we miss most flops and are OOP, we are forced to check-fold a hell of a lot of the time. Also, when we manage to flop a set, we are still OOP and getting stacks will not always be easy.
Is my thinking backwards here? How am I meant to think about this spot?
Posted about 3 years ago
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Pokerfarm
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saw this series ages ago but have decided to watch it all again. Anyways, I don't know how to do the time-stamp but it's roughly at 52:00. The scenario is pretty self explanatory, you don't really need mch context.
Hero is dealt 77 in the SB, the CO opened to pot and the button called. You both(Baluga and Tubasteve) agreed that squeezing here is terrible. I didn't really think you explained why that well.
Is it because our hand has better post-flop equity than it does preflop? This was the logic that I felt that you were using. If we 3-bet here (squeeze) we should know that we are 3-bet bluffing and merely trying to take down the dead money. Is that sooo bad? 77 looks and plays better than say 22 or 33 but when we miss most flops and are OOP, we are forced to check-fold a hell of a lot of the time. Also, when we manage to flop a set, we are still OOP and getting stacks will not always be easy.
Is my thinking backwards here? How am I meant to think about this spot?
Posted about 3 years ago
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Pokerfarm
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saw this series ages ago but have decided to watch it all again. Anyways, I don't know how to do the time-stamp but it's roughly at 52:00. The scenario is pretty self explanatory, you don't really need mch context.
Hero is dealt 77 in the SB, the CO opened to pot and the button called. You both(Baluga and Tubasteve) agreed that squeezing here is terrible. I didn't really think you explained why that well.
Is it because our hand has better post-flop equity than it does preflop? Thsi was the logic that I felt that you were using. If we 3-bet here (squeeze) we should know that we are 3-bet bluffing and merely trying to take down the dead money. Is that sooo bad? 77 looks and plays better than say 22 or 33 but when we miss most flops and are OOP, we are forced to check-fold a hell of a lot of the time. Also, when we manage to flop a set, we are still OOP and getting stacks will not always be easy.
Is my thinking backwards here? How am I meant to think about this spot?
Posted about 3 years ago
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tubasteve
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very nice video, great stuff!
49:00, JJ on a QQ5 flop, OOP. What do you do if you lead the flop and get 3bet. Because you talk about bet flop, bet turn and if you get raised, its an easy fold. I agree but what if the vilain 3bet you on the flop? Is it a bluff most of the time, a Q, a PP? I suck in this spot because imo, its a call but what to do on the turn after calling the flop 3bet...check call, check fold, lead again...?
Posted almost 3 years ago
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Turkish Fish
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I do have one question though - when playing yourselves (Baluga and Tuba), how do you ensure that you make the 'correct' decision based on the information in front of you? How do you stop the autopilot option? Do you have a mental checklist before making a decision? Do you ask yourself a question before taking an action?
I feel like I autopilot sometimes and make poor decisions because of it and watching the vid has opened up new thoughts but I need to ensure that I can apply these correctly while playing.
EDIT: First Post \o/
Its like boxing or any martial art. In the ring, when you are fighting, you do what you are trained to do. In the ring you wont try any new moves or do anything complicated. You will do the basics that have been hammered into you. Thats why repitition of the basics (keep your gloves up) is so important.
For me its the same with poker. When you are playing you can only do what you have been trained to do. Dont expect to come up with ninja decision trees on the fly. Rather make mistakes, analyse them, watch videos about them, write about them, make them again, analyse them again, rinse repeat. Eventually those things become reflex and your autopilot gets a level up.
So my answer to your Q is level up your autopilot through training away from the table and analysis of your play at it.
Sorry but i think this is bad advice (if i understand right what you say ofcourse). Not adjusting on the fly = death imo. Doing anything at the table by reflex is bad.
How do you stop autopilot? Just start thinking. Play less tables for a while and think through every single spot. What's his range? How affect board texture to his range? How affect to your hand? What do you want to achive? What will you do if he call/raise/donk? What will you do if a certain trun/rivercard comes? With what hands will he pay you off? How many streets will he pay? With what hand will he bluff? How's your hand looks like? How would you play the nuts in the spot? How many times have you air in the spot? How should you change your bet size based on the circumstances? And many many many more things to consider just in a single hand, on a single street.
What you can/should do away from the table is thinking about type of hands (beyond session review, leak finding, etc). How can i play a mid suited connector profitably? Where the value come from with them? What kind of board am i looking for with it? What's a good situation with a suited connector? And at the tables you can ask yourself: Is this a good situation to a suited connector? If no (how) can i adjust to keep play profitable? What's his range? How affects board texture........
I hope you get my point!
greenzulu, i think you made an EXCELLENT post here. a few days ago i watched episode 1 of the eightfold path to poker enlightenment, and in it tommy talks about improving your C game. to me, that is kind of what you are explaining in this post (autopilot might be B game
). and your boxing/martial arts "in the ring" metaphore was SPOT on.
Cernunnos, your post was very good too. i think you are describing A game here. "Play less tables" is EXCELLENT advice on how to stop autopiloting. you give many excellent examples of questions to ask yourself while in the ring, and the questions about "what will you do if" are very good to combat autopilot, because all these self questions require the hero to take time during the hand, which is limited, and you can ask the "what if" questions of yourself while the villain is using up their time thinking about their current action.
i guess i'm not adding anything. i just wanted to cheerlead for greenzulu a little 
also, thank you beluga whale and tuba steve for making the vid.
and thank you very much KRANTZ for putting it in the Mirco 6max NLHE playlist.
Posted almost 3 years ago
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