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Adriano85

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were not planing to bet/fold a ton here....We will get a lot more calls then shoves/raises here...so I would rather bet huge ass.



If youre calling a raise on this board you are overplaying your hand imo.

like above, I wouldnt even cbet this board. we are going to get raised so often.

Posted 12 months ago

Tackleberry

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like above, I wouldnt even cbet this board. we are going to get raised so often.


It´s actually not the easiest decisioin in the world, but by checking we open ourselves to get bluffed off any 8, any J, any club because most likely we would cbet with a draw ... which opens the doors for Villain on 15 cards - which is 1/3 of the deck.

And I don´t think that many Villains raise a big bet on this flop as a pure bluff, not even as a semi-bluff too often. If we bet small we induce bluffs - which in this case we don´t want.

I´m as well in the bet big, fold to raise camp. If we don´t stack off to a raise / shove, we don´t risk our stack, so no need to protect it. If Villain calls a big bet his range is quite well defined, namely he´s rarely having a set.

Posted 12 months ago

Adriano85

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It´s actually not the easiest decisioin in the world, but by checking we open ourselves to get bluffed off any 8, any J, any club because most likely we would cbet with a draw ... which opens the doors for Villain on 15 cards - which is 1/3 of the deck.

And I don´t think that many Villains raise a big bet on this flop as a pure bluff, not even as a semi-bluff too often. If we bet small we induce bluffs - which in this case we don´t want.

I´m as well in the bet big, fold to raise camp. If we don´t stack off to a raise / shove, we don´t risk our stack, so no need to protect it. If Villain calls a big bet his range is quite well defined, namely he´s rarely having a set.



It's not that I hate a cbet here, it's that imo this is a board where we get raised often (also by semi-bluffing hands we still beat, and I'm not happy to play for stacks on this board), but that's just an opinion.

If we get called on the flop, what cards would you give up on, on the turn?

Posted 12 months ago

uselink

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Really? That size pretty much makes it impossible to 3 b as a bluff...


Well we should not 3et bluff vs happy callers. we should also 3bet our strong hands vs those guys..

Posted 12 months ago

Loiner

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It´s actually not the easiest decisioin in the world, but by checking we open ourselves to get bluffed off any 8, any J, any club because most likely we would cbet with a draw ... which opens the doors for Villain on 15 cards - which is 1/3 of the deck.

And I don´t think that many Villains raise a big bet on this flop as a pure bluff, not even as a semi-bluff too often. If we bet small we induce bluffs - which in this case we don´t want.

I´m as well in the bet big, fold to raise camp. If we don´t stack off to a raise / shove, we don´t risk our stack, so no need to protect it. If Villain calls a big bet his range is quite well defined, namely he´s rarely having a set.



Just important to realize that it doesn't matter if we have QQ or 72o when we play the hand this way.

Posted 12 months ago

Tackleberry

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Just important to realize that it doesn't matter if we have QQ or 72o when we play the hand this way.


No, that´s not correct. Villain does not raise 100%.

Posted 12 months ago

Loiner

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No, that´s not correct. Villain does not raise 100%.


Point taken.

So you shove turn on all cards thats not part of the 15?

Posted 12 months ago

Loiner

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Sizing is fine pre. $5 is way to big.



No it isn't.

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