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improva

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+1 to pretty much everything which said. fantastic work.



1, sure.
2, sure, unless PM's/email is monitored, then depends on who's monitoring i guess.
3, depends on the forum
4, think that's considered spam in any forum. instaban.

and i feel your sarcasm in 4, but it really is better for Improva... scratch that, the world, if more people are exposed to him. he has an amazing poker mind. there's a synergistic effect for everybody when great minds can reach the masses.



Okay... Let us say I gave you all rights to my next book. What are you willing to pay for those rights if I give you all revenue I generate for the next year in book sales?

Posted about 1 year ago

nawhead

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Okay... Let us say I gave you all rights to my next book. What are you willing to pay for those rights if I give you all revenue I generate for the next year in book sales?


i'm not familiar with publishing deals or the market for these books, so i wouldn't know how to come up with a realistic figure if it was for profit.

but if i was just a rich patron who likes giving artists money to create things, i would pay you $0 to just write the book.

patronage money is so you can live and still have time to write the book. since if you're depending on patronage, it's assumed you can't devote the time to your art while having another job. but since your expertise is in profiting from a game, i have to assume you're good at it and don't need the money and are rather doing it for personal reasons.

now someone may ask, so why did i pay for DeucesCracked? it's basically the same, paying a bunch of poker pros teaching people how to play. but no, i'm paying for a service. i'm not just paying for "a work," it's a massive amount of content, continually being put out, storage space for it i don't have to pay for, and instant access to it from anywhere in the world, whenever i want, however many times i want.

Posted about 1 year ago

improva

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i'm not familiar with publishing deals or the market for these books, so i wouldn't know how to come up with a realistic figure if it was for profit.

but if i was just a rich patron who likes giving artists money to create things, i would pay you $0 to just write the book.

patronage money is so you can live and still have time to write the book. since if you're depending on patronage, it's assumed you can't devote the time to your art while having another job. but since your expertise is in profiting from a game, i have to assume you're good at it and don't need the money and are rather doing it for personal reasons.

now someone may ask, so why did i pay for DeucesCracked? it's basically the same, paying a bunch of poker pros teaching people how to play. but no, i'm paying for a service. i'm not just paying for "a work," it's a massive amount of content, continually being put out, storage space for it i don't have to pay for, instant playback anywhere in the world.



That was not the point. You seem to have a lot of faith in a world without copyright. I'm just asking you to put your money where your mouth is.

Edit: The point is I have evaluated the option, but maybe I'm just not smart enough.

Posted about 1 year ago

nawhead

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the brutal truth of it may just be that writing books in hopes of selling it digitally using a pay-per-copy model is no longer worthwhile (maybe was never worthwhile). and being a microstakes pro is not worthwhile either. and maybe being an online pro in the US is not worthwhile either (hopefully temporarily).

you can fight it, lock your content, restrict it, look down on people who want liberal access to your words, or you can accept the paradigm shift, embrace the technology, and use it to its full extent like DC is doing. to see how that changes the dynamic, in comparison to the tedious work involved in pirating DC videos, it's actually stupid not to pay for a DC subscription.

and i don't have all the answers. i just know that what you think needs to be maintained, can't.

Posted about 1 year ago

Sneakers

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Improva,
Here is what you do.
OPTION A:
1. person buys ebook
2. on every page, put their NAME, EMAIL, and HOME ADDRESS (visa, mastercard address)
3. Block all cut-and-paste on the PDF.

OPTION B:
use one of the ebook services, that require an initial online authentication. Those seem to work well.

I just purchased a $100 PDF.....just a guy's notes for CCIE certification (Cisco). Everyone swears by it, as a tool for work and study. So I got it.
Trust me. It is kind of weird to see my personal information on every single page. I paid $100, so I have no intention of giving it away, but there it is on every page -- my personal information. lol


NOW, can I get some of that altruistic (read free) coaching. Smile

Posted about 1 year ago

nawhead

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Trust me. It is kind of weird to see my personal information on every single page. I paid $100, so I have no intention of giving it away, but there it is on every page -- my personal information. lol


well that's a security disaster just waiting to happen...

Posted about 1 year ago

Sneakers

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well that's a security disaster just waiting to happen...


For me maybe, but not for the author. Take it or leave it. His product is in demand. Incredible job and story, that someone took their study notes and is making money on it. He is up to 389 pages, and is maintaining updates/releases.

I must say it feels a bit weird printing out sections of it -- even though my address on it is not current. lol

Posted about 1 year ago

nawhead

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also, since some of you guys are just having a blast on that moral pedestal, i assume you have attained proper permission from LucasArts Entertainment, Sesame Workshop, and Tecmo Inc. to use their copyrighted trademarks, right?

i'm totally cool with it, you know i am. it's great that you want to spread cool stuff you like. i'm just not sure it helps your side of the argument.

Posted about 1 year ago

Estist

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I think you're being really pathetic nawhead - there is no way that after all this discussion you can't comprehend what's been told to you. Yet, you're still acting oblivious throwing everything you can think of in the mix even if it's totally irrelevant and makes no sense whatsoever. I therefore assume you're being argumentative for the sake of it and are out to waste peoples time. Probably because you've got nothing better to do, which is a real shame and doesn't do the DC forum much good obviously.

Posted about 1 year ago

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the brutal truth of it may just be that writing books in hopes of selling it digitally using a pay-per-copy model is no longer worthwhile (maybe was never worthwhile). and being a microstakes pro is not worthwhile either. and maybe being an online pro in the US is not worthwhile either (hopefully temporarily).

you can fight it, lock your content, restrict it, look down on people who want liberal access to your words, or you can accept the paradigm shift, embrace the technology, and use it to its full extent like DC is doing. to see how that changes the dynamic, in comparison to the tedious work involved in pirating DC videos, it's actually stupid not to pay for a DC subscription.

and i don't have all the answers. i just know that what you think needs to be maintained, can't.



what can't be maintained? there are two reasons that many people will continue to pay for improva's book. they believe it will prove to be a valuable resource, and they understand that it takes a great deal of time and effort to create such a resource.

some people will obtain pirate copies, obviously. improva himself seems comfortable with people who can't afford to pay for his book obtaining it by other means.

human beings are not a homogenous group.

Posted about 1 year ago

Steppin Razor

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There is a difference between reading the article and downloading a copy of the whole magazine. One is worse than the other.




Seems the exact same to me. Theft is theft. But your response below seems to contradict the one above:


You cut off the quote a little bit early there. So theft is theft, eh? Stealing a baby is equally as bad as stealing a pack of gum? Armed robbery is the same as pickpocketing?



I mean, an article is a thing, and a magazine is a thing, and "it really should not matter".

which


There is no contradiction in what I wrote.
Even though you haven't answered any question I've posed you yet, let me ask you this - do you consider it stealing to take the magazine off the rack and walk away with it without paying? If so, why? And what would be the purpose of taking the magazine and going home?


A digital copy CAN in fact be given. I send you the file. I have already read the book and paid for it, and gotten value from it. Should the fact that I no longer have possession be the legal deciding factor ? This idea is brought up so often, but rarely challenged. You might be right, I don't know. But it is not AUTOMATICALLY the deciding factor.

As far as I know, there is no law prohibiting me from making a copy of the book I purchased. I then use the copies for my own use. No one ever sees these pages but me. If I lend the real book to a friend to read, do I need to destroy my copy for the lending to be legal? If there is in fact a crime committed, is it me for keeping the copy, or for sending the real book to my friend. Is the friend a co conspirator in this theft automatically? Or only if he KNEW I had a copy of the book held back?


It breaks down like this: If I create something, and offer it for sale, and you buy it, I have been compensated for the thing you bought. It is now your possession. If on the other hand, you buy something from me and you copy it so that there are now two things, I have not been compensated for the second thing. If you keep it for yourself, as a backup, then it never sees the light of day except by you, then I do not need to be compensated for it.
If I build a car and sell it to you, you have paid for the car. If you give it to someone else, I was still paid for the car. If you copy the car and sell the copy, you have stolen my design.

This stuff is just so involved.... it has gone so quickly from physical possession, and society, and by extension, the law has not kept up.



It's not really that involved. You are hung up on the physicalness of a thing, but its existence in the virtual world counts just the same as existing in the actual world. Kids in school can bully other kids through facebook. Just because it happens digitally doesn't mean the other kid didn't get bullied.




And for those of us with so much faith in the general public to assent to a fair standard? We don't even give them credit for being able to play decent poker.



The last thing I expect from the general public is fairness. I expect them to mostly be like nawhead, where if he can get it and can't be caught, he'll take it.

Posted about 1 year ago

Steppin Razor

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you can fight it, lock your content, restrict it, look down on people who want liberal access to your words, or you can accept the paradigm shift


I appreciate the brass of this statement. 'Look, I'm gonna steal it and you can't stop me, so you ought to try to find some other way I can't steal until I can steal it, then find some other way.'

You accidentally spelled free as 'liberal' in that sentence though.

Posted about 1 year ago

Steppin Razor

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also, since some of you guys are just having a blast on that moral pedestal, i assume you have attained proper permission from LucasArts Entertainment, Sesame Workshop, and Tecmo Inc. to use their copyrighted trademarks, right?

i'm totally cool with it, you know i am. it's great that you want to spread cool stuff you like. i'm just not sure it helps your side of the argument.


FWIW, mine is a picture I took of a sculpture I made in a building I rented. I will not pursue you if you steal it though

Posted about 1 year ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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@Steppin & Estist, I advise you to give up like I have.

Posted about 1 year ago

Steppin Razor

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When I cease entertaining myself I will
edit: to clarify I mean entertaining myself with the arguing, not that I'm 'entertaining myself' right now

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