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didnt you say that you have downloaded a bunch before when you were in college ?

Yes.

Regarding right and wrong, a lot of things that are -EV to others for the benefit of yourself can be considered wrong, or at least a detriment to society. This can be extended to things that people do everyday like drinking, but also how they spend their money. I could say, "the fact you enjoy drinking is no justification for the harmful effects it has on society."

There are degrees of wrong. It's not particularly useful to think of things in binary terms as wrong and not wrong, or otherwise you can end up hating the whole of humanity.

In the end, the system works off incentives. Monetary incentives, quality of life incentives, social incentives, sexual incentives, legal incentives, and many more. Of course, this system can be flawed as people are not perfectly rational, or anywhere near.

The incentives for piracy give people a good damn reason to do it. I'm not saying it's not "wrong", but I think there are a lot of things that people do may be equally wrong and require no justification for.

Is piracy worse for society than those things? I wouldn't like to speculate about something so complex, but I'm just saying the fact that it is a detriment doesn't mean much in itself.

For any of you out there still listening, you really should check out zach's link. And don't just read the main area, the comments part is also illustrative of how outside the box thinking can help in many ways.

I like guys like nawhead that can actually get me to think about stuff I usually just pass by without a second thought. So, for that alone, "Thanks Naw!"

It seems ironic that this community - which in some ways is dedicated to taking a good hard look at each situation (albeit poker related) and really evaluating the different factors involved (does +EV ring a bell?) -- seems to be so stuck in any one particular mindset. I would have guessed that a younger demographic audience would have been much more receptive to at least discussing the issue.

my bad

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Anger? Confusion? That feeling you have is called cognitive dissonance.



I know I said I was done, but I couldn't resist. I'll try to respond to you which later.

this was actually pretty clever TSB --

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Is he now? The issue at hand was very simple. Improva holds copyright over his intellectual property and has not given anyone that got involved in the argument permission to create an electronic copy. I would therefore assume that if you use your brain you can come to the simple conclusion that what you're doing is wrong. If not, no worries, Tecmo has put out a number of posts explaining exactly what the issue is. Nawhead just goes on and on and on trying to justify something that can't be justified. If it can, I'm sure that all the major torrent sites would be very interested in his pov. Even though he's quite clever with his posts (and somewhat entertaining) - none of his arguments would hold up if it came to a legal dispute.

http://youtu.be/qcOdNc_seyM

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/articles/jay-lenos-3d-printer-replaces-rusty-old-parts-1/

Anger? Confusion? That feeling you have is called cognitive dissonance.

Yea, that was my point.

Nawhead just goes on and on and on trying to justify something that can't be justified. If it can, I'm sure that all the major torrent sites would be very interested in his pov. Even though he's quite clever with his posts (and somewhat entertaining) - none of his arguments would hold up if it came to a legal dispute.

and legality is the arbiter of all morality. and thank you for the compliments. and you're right, i am a bit whacky today, late night.

Is piracy worse for society than those things? I wouldn't like to speculate about something so complex, but I'm just saying the fact that it is a detriment doesn't mean much in itself.

lucid, objective, an almost artistic subtlety of thought. too intelligent. much too intelligent.

I mean, at the end of the day, why not sacrifice your integrity for an episode of Breaking Bad?

If it's season 4 you are talking about... you best well believe it is worth sacrificing your integrity

If it's season 4 you are talking about... you best well believe it is worth sacrificing your integrity

Haha, couldn't agree more.

something that just came to mind that it might be a generation issue.
The youngers, 18-21 years old, probably grew up with the internet in a way 28+ can't really relate to.

We 'old guys' *compared to most in the internet poker society* actually had to buy our cds in the music sture. We even had to wait for new music to arrive!
maybe that brings us to an understanding about value in a different way then those who where able to download whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted.

We 'old guys' *compared to most in the internet poker society* actually had to buy our cassette tapes in the music sture. We even had to wait for new music to arrive!

FYP

We 'old guys' *compared to most in the internet poker society* actually had to buy our 8-Track tapes and Albums in the music sture. We even had to wait for new music to arrive!

FYP

FYP2

Sneakers, Techno, and I have agreed on something. Continuing this thread is only pushing us closer to the apocalypse IMO.

If it's season 4 you are talking about... you best well believe it is worth sacrificing your integrity

Bad example on my part