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IPoker Network $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1746390
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SB: $514.35
BB: $378.00
UTG: $742.80
CO: $63.20
Hero (BTN): $831.90

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with 9 A
UTG raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $36, 2 folds, UTG raises to $75, Hero calls $39

Flop: ($156.00) Q T 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $62.00, Hero calls $62

Turn: ($280.00) K (2 players)
UTG bets $162.00, Hero calls $162

River: ($604.00) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $443.80, Hero folds

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He seems to be pretty 4b-happy and this is the 2nd 3bet vs. him (vs. 1st he folded).
In the blinds are 2 Regs.
Would you have played it anywhere differently?
I guess we call it easily off on a Kh and we jam when he checks if the river would have been a Kh?
Would he has checked on this cardm we bluffjam vs. hands like AA,AK I guess?

Probably play it the same way ~90% of the time.

Bluff jam sounds OK.

Don't think we should 3-bet someone with A9s who seems to be 4bet happy.

stick it in on the turn, !P0krparty¡ style

Kind of want to fold the 4b pre, not a great hand to have in a 4b pot.
but what can you do when he gives you such a good price.

would probably also play postflop the same.

@jamming on the turn:
Does this not seem kinda close on a turncard which improves my flopcallrange and hence should make his 2ndbar.range even stronger what should result in me having less FEQ?

btw.,
why is A9s IP a bad hand in a 4b_Pot?
Which hands are better unless the top5%-hands?

maybe a coldcall pre would be better, but the blinds have been little squeezy (bot not to the point I wanna play baack too much) and A9s seems like a solid hands to 3bet, exspecially being deep IP?

@jamming on the turn:
Does this not seem kinda close on a turncard which improves my flopcallrange and hence should make his 2ndbar.range even stronger what should result in me having less FEQ?

btw.,
why is A9s IP a bad hand in a 4b_Pot?
Which hands are better unless the top5%-hands?

maybe a coldcall pre would be better, but the blinds have been little squeezy (bot not to the point I wanna play baack too much) and A9s seems like a solid hands to 3bet, exspecially being deep IP?

I dont like A9s mostly because, that there is so few flops we like. We are not super happy with an ace or a nine. And if we miss we will have to float and hope he gives up, because Im guessing his cb to be almost a 100 % in this spot. Therefore I would rather have a hand that is less likely to be dominated and with the possibility to make a big hand.

I think this is a good hand to post, and I dont have a problem with how you played it. Becuase you are deep it is difficult to raise the flop or turn as you dont want to be getting in 200BB's with flush draw. I dont anyway !

The option of raising the flop is interesting - say you 3x or 4x it. IMO its a big problem because you have now put in $200 and cannot fold. Therefore any hand he shoves with is a favourite over us so it would appear to be a bad play. ?

I think pre flop play is fine against the reads you have.

I think this is a good hand to post, and I dont have a problem with how you played it. Becuase you are deep it is difficult to raise the flop or turn as you dont want to be getting in 200BB's with flush draw. I dont anyway !

The option of raising the flop is interesting - say you 3x or 4x it. IMO its a big problem because you have now put in $200 and cannot fold. Therefore any hand he shoves with is a favourite over us so it would appear to be a bad play. ?

I think pre flop play is fine against the reads you have.

I guess I wanna have hardly a raisingrange on the flop in this spot. (not too good for my whole range)
And I would certainly not make a 3-4x_raise.

still I do not know which is so bad about A9s regards to calling a 4bet deep IP.
Getting dominated happens rarely and it is suited, so it will flop in 10% a NutFD which allows me to continue.
Sometimes I mb can float on some boards with backdoor-EQ.
Guess that SCs would be anyways better.

It's probably because I'm a psychopath but I'm closer to 5betting pre than folding.

It's probably because I'm a psychopath but I'm closer to 5betting pre than folding.

hehe^^

I like minraising flop with most of your range vs a loose player, and this hand fits the strategy perfectly.
Why aren't people happy to stack off considering the stack to pot ratio? There is about 4x pot behind, that's less of a stack to pot ratio than in a 3bet pot.

I like minraising flop with most of your range vs a loose player, and this hand fits the strategy perfectly.
Why aren't people happy to stack off considering the stack to pot ratio? There is about 4x pot behind, that's less of a stack to pot ratio than in a 3bet pot.

and what you wanna do with hands like mb ATs, JTs, QTs, KTs, mb QJs, KQs, low FDs w SCs?

Just saw that you posted stats on the villain.
So first I think it's a fold pre to the 4bet - he folds 67% to 3bets and only 4bets 3.7%range, that is definitely not 4bet happy - it just means he has a bluffing range or a wider stackoff range. His range is TT+,AK+ if it's not polarized, or maybe he uses AQ as a bluff with blockers from this position. So Ah9h is dominated even vs his bluffs.

Considering this I think you played postflop fine. I was under the impression he would have a wide range in this spot from your comment about 4bet happy.

Minraising a wide range is only good if he has a lot of air/polarized range, but since he opened ep and seems pretty tight vs 3bets this doesn't apply.

Just saw that you posted stats on the villain.
So first I think it's a fold pre to the 4bet - he folds 67% to 3bets and only 4bets 3.7%range, that is definitely not 4bet happy - it just means he has a bluffing range or a wider stackoff range. His range is TT+,AK+ if it's not polarized, or maybe he uses AQ as a bluff with blockers from this position. So Ah9h is dominated even vs his bluffs.

Considering this I think you played postflop fine. I was under the impression he would have a wide range in this spot from your comment about 4bet happy.

Minraising a wide range is only good if he has a lot of air/polarized range, but since he opened ep and seems pretty tight vs 3bets this doesn't apply.

3,7% 4b-range is not nitty actually (compared to most regs) + his stack off range is deep obv. way tighter than your assumed one.
Axs-hands are just mostly solid 3bet-hands deep IP.

Minraising OTF as a gameplan is in my eyes not rly possible b/c I also have sme mentioned Tx-hands potentially in my range and those I for sure do not wanna minraise/stackoff OTF -> hence it seems for me that a flopcall is the way I should start postflop given my whole range...

Nobody has doubts on the turncall? Villain has us crushed, that should be clear. We have like 22% equity against his range. If a Kh, 3h comes, we might be paying off hugely. If a J hits, we either split or win nothing (he won´t pay off with worse), if a heart falls, Villain might or might not pay off another bet ... that said, I think it´s pretty damn close with nothing more but the bare flush draw.

And I totally dislike the 3bet preflop and even more the call; we hit 2pair less often than a set (besides chances off getting outflopped / counterfit on later streets) and on Axx-boards we´re dominated too often, so what are we calling for?

ADD: StoxEV is telling me (in a first model) that we´re losing money by calling the turn ...