terp
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phenom
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yah, 4-bet/fold. it's too good to fold to the 3-bet but too weak to call. I don't think calling and "playing poker" is a very good idea against a competent player on the button.
Same with AQ/KQ/TT-99 ?
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KRANTZ
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Hm,
but don`t you anyways think that your range needs to have those small pps to be able to rep most sets on different boards?
I mean, in the BB we just have a reasonable wide passive defendingrange, even when we are tight.
it depends on the table and the BTN... it's hard to hit sets
you also don't have to always reraise your premium hands in BTN vs BB situation...
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Same with AQ/KQ/TT-99 ?
depends on the player. against some i would 4-bet/call AQ, TT and 99. against some I might 4b/fold AQ and KQ. against some i would call AQ or KQ suited, or 99-TT. i've always thought having a static plan is a bad idea.
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some good points, jay, but i think we can distinguish among different aces here. given the number of Ax in both players ranges, it'd be a mistake to treat A5 the same as AQ or even A9. i think we should be folding this hand here if he bets...
what bet size would he have to make on the river to make it a call for you?
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terp
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i'm not sure. i mean, the larger he bets, the more he should be bluffing, but i don't think most people handle this kind of balance very competently. if i don't have a stationy image or any history with the player i'd definitely be happier calling a larger bet.
i more just wanted to point out that the logic 'if i fold this what do i call?' was getting flipped on its head to 'now i will call everything,' which can be just as dangerous.
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phenom
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depends on the player. against some i would 4-bet/call AQ, TT and 99. against some I might 4b/fold AQ and KQ. against some i would call AQ or KQ suited, or 99-TT. i've always thought having a static plan is a bad idea.
Againts an unknown what else can we have than a static plan ? In that plan I have always just called AQ/KQ/TT/99 and tried to play poker. Not the most comfortable position but has felt like the best option of all lame options pre. Keeps his range the widest. Which is good when you have a decent hand. Post flop is always tough. You miss alot of flops feel compelled to float or cr bluff small some flops. And playing 99 on almost any flop is not that easy either.
Do you 4bet fold TT-99 ever ? And what do you think about this scenario and my thoughts on 4betting and 5bet bluffing ----> I play NL100 at a small network with the same group of regs day in day out for the last year and a half. Whenever I 4bet call CO vs BTN villain always has AK or JJ+ (on a very rare occasion they have TT). Nothing else ever. Never A5s/T9s or anything else. But they 3bet healthy amount. 10%+. No flatting 4bets. How am I supposed to adjust to this with AQ/AJ/KQ/TT/99 ? 4bet fold them all ? 4bet bluff more hands? Keep doing this until the first time reg 5bet shoves anything other than AK or JJ+ ?
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terp
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phenom it rarely is great to 4b/fold 99. if you can't call, you could fold. it seems like the clear play here is to figure out if you have a lot of profitable 4b bluffs (JJ+/AKo is only 3% of hands, so they are 3b/folding possibly 75% of the time) and to figure out how they play if you flat. with so much air in their ranges, you should try to find out if they will bluff stupidly, let you get to SD, etc. this info can really inform your decision facing a 3bet.
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phenom it rarely is great to 4b/fold 99. if you can't call, you could fold. it seems like the clear play here is to figure out if you have a lot of profitable 4b bluffs (JJ+/AKo is only 3% of hands, so they are 3b/folding possibly 75% of the time) and to figure out how they play if you flat. with so much air in their ranges, you should try to find out if they will bluff stupidly, let you get to SD, etc. this info can really inform your decision facing a 3bet.
Would you use AQ/AJ/KQ for 4bet bluffing ? I know they are supposed to play well post flop but if villains are folding to 4bets huge amount of the time and never ever are 5bet jamming other than premiums it could be the best play ? Shows immediately profit and is the right fold vs range of AK+/JJ+ when gets shoved on. Clicking the calling button is a big question mark if it is +EV at all. Might be if you have really good info on the player. But first step 4bet. If they adjust to that by 5bet jamming light or start calling 4bets then start 4betting less because it is not immediatly profitable any more if they start calling 4bets the say lets 50% of the time. Then just call the 3bet w AQ/AJ/KQ and play poker ?
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