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Joe Tall is right when he says its not the training sites fault. Its the fact that fish cant deosit and half of the US thinks its illegal.

Even the fish have some clue nowadays though.

The way I see it, there was always going to be an increase in good players, and in fish. The fish part of that equation has not been true over the last couple years. I haven't played long enough to comment on post UIGEA, but I would guess it started there.

Joe Tall is right when he says its not the training sites fault. Its the fact that fish cant deosit and half of the US thinks its illegal.

It's a combination of a lot of factors, training sites being one, UIGEA being another. Also, in 2003-2004 online poker was new, and a lot of players wanted to play after Moneymaker won the WSOP main event. Most of them gave up after they couldn't win.

Why bother with rake that proportionally high? Just spend more time reviewing and improving away from the table so you can move up imo, you pay less rake so more bang for your buck. Take shots more aggressively; every hand played at 10NL could be played at higher stakes with higher hourly and lower proportional rake. Putting in hundreds of thousands of hands at stakes like that is just a waste of time imo. I'm not talking recreational players but from the point of someone that would like to make a buck or two with poker.

100% Agree.

I dont mind if its tougher now than "back in the day" I'm here to learn and stay ahead of the curve. I want to be in a good position for the next poker boom. Would be cool if it coincided with the next ecomomic boom, which is very feesible.

I think the state of the game in the US sites vs the others is very different to the rest of the world. The game is still growing in other parts of he world, and therefore lots of weaker players still. Afaik I can still see it growing even more, as more of the developing countries get richer, they are more likely to start hobbies like poker. I think poker in the US is probably well developed, but as a whole, poker is probably still in it's infancy.

Didn't we conclude earlier that it's the "loose / agressive" regs who are still being the losers? So what's the deal with them 3betting.
I think a lot of regs at my limit could be winning players if they just stopped making ridiculous 3bets and started folding religiously to 3bets. Talking nl20 here.

A lot of them don't necessarily always 3 bet well when they do and yes many players call too many re raises, thats not to say it doesn't work when done well vs the right opponents, vs the ones who don't fold you pretty much re raise them for value only.

True, most do but most players don't have 20bb/100 winrates. Go to the variance calculator website and check out the longest breakeven stretches for different winrates. A true 20bb/100 winrate is especially unlikely to have a 100k breakeven.

Also playing that many hands at 2nl is just absurdity imo.

So should a winning player (3bb/100) at 4NL with a 100K sample just deposit more money and move up? or keep grinding it out at each level?

My thought process was always I had to grind it out and earn enough at a certain level to move up to the next level. The only way to do that is through volume. Waste of time?

So should a winning player (3bb/100) at 4NL with a 100K sample just deposit more money and move up? or keep grinding it out at each level?

My thought process was always I had to grind it out and earn enough at a certain level to move up to the next level. The only way to do that is through volume. Waste of time?

Move to 10nl, still loads of fish dont need a huge BR, 25nl is where the aggression really kicks in

Move to 10nl, still loads of fish dont need a huge BR, 25nl is where the aggression really kicks in

Is 20BI good?

Is 20BI good?

Good enough if you table select well and play good solid poker, not too many tables

Is 20BI good?

I have played on a 10-20 bi roll without having to re-deposit once since starting in early dec. I withdrawl bi weekly so usually hover around 1-15 bi on site. Also, redepositing isn't an option really at moment unless I want to pay large bank wire fees to my moneybookers. But imo, depends on your style and site you play on.stars I'd suggest at least 20 if not more. bwin isn't really necessary or at least hasn't been up to this point.

kerwinty, I'd highly suggest that you boost your roll if you can, you don't want to be playing the stakes you are if you can be beating higher.

kerwinty, I'd highly suggest that you boost your roll if you can, you don't want to be playing the stakes you are if you can be beating higher.

Constant battle since I moved down here mate! Wish I had an easy answer.