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Live $1/$3 NL Game, $100-$300 Capped Buy-in
I've just sat down, played about 1 orbit.
I've got a full stack. The other relevant player in the hand has about $180.

Hero opens UTG for $10 w/ AK
2 field players call, BTN calls, BB calls
Flop:K33
Blinds check
Hero bets $30
Folded to MP who tanks and calls. Everyone else folds.
Turn:3
Hero?

I felt like this was a wierd spot because of the stack sizes and the fact that I'm chopping (or occasionally losing) a lot of the time. At this point in the hand, the Villian only has about $140 left and there's about $110 in the pot. Also, Villian is an older guy (about 45-50) and I think he's a regular. It seems like I've played w/ him before although I don't have any memory of anything specific except that he seems pretty solid and a little on the nitty side.

Bump

unless you are worried about quads, and then, its just a cooler, why not bet?

I mean, chops are not so bad, you are OOP, and he might not be a believer that you have a king. If you wanted to x/r, then you are giving your hand away, while betting may still mean air.

most older guys are passive, so checking willl not induce, just satisfy their curiosity that the QJ did not hit, or AX or whatever he was chasing. If he was more aggro, I might check to induce.

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Bet to get value from worse full houses

I don`t think you can get 2 more streets of value here from this villain if he has lower pocket pair or stubborn A high and if villain has a 3 or K money will go into the pot either way so why not check to try inducing lighter 2/3 pot bet call on the river (he doesn`t have a lot of outs to outdraw you, 3 outs with A and 2 outs with PP)?

This was a spot where I felt that I was getting freerolled by the guy.

OTT: If I bet, it's definately for value (and not as a bluff), but I don't think he'll call with worse. He might have called the flop bet with pocket pairs or a stubborn A, but there were players to act behind him and I think that skews his range towards a K (or a 3) that turned into a full house (or quads) OTT.

Also, his stack size makes it weird. If I make any reasonable bet OTT, I think I'm committed to calling any further bets as he's got about $140 left and the pot has about $110 in it already.

If I check the turn and he shoves, I don't think he's ever bluffing and I'm calling to hopefully chop. It just seems like a bad spot.....Am I thinking about this correctly? Any tips?

I think you can bet/fold here kinda smallish. Do you really expect a 1/3 player to fold a full house, even when they obviously should? If so, you're probably giving too much credit. You can bet $40 and expect to get called by most or all of his PP, certainly 88-QQ (yes, villains will flat QQ live all the time) and maybe even worse. If you get shoved on, you could maybe, possibly consider a fold, but you'll get raised almost never.

Then shove any river and call it a day.

Do you really expect a 1/3 player to fold a full house, even when they obviously should? If so, you're probably giving too much credit.

This, if he's a standard low stakes live donk

I actually think this guy would fold a lot of his pocket pairs facing a turn bet. I can see him folding most of them, but being stubborn and calling w/ QQ or JJ because he waited to see a "safe" flop and there's no A on the flop. It's completely illogical, but people do stuff like this.
Luke's proposed line about a small bet OTT and a possible fold to a raise has some merit imo.

Luke's proposed line about a small bet OTT and a possible fold to a raise has some merit imo.

I don`t think it`s optimal against this guy. I don`t think you can fold even if he shoves ( really how many 3 this older guy has? A3s? that`s 1 combo only). And as you said you can see him folding pp on the turn and I agree so why not check and increase your chances of getting 80$ value on the river instead of 40$ on the turn. I mean anyways if he hits set on the river you will still lose your whole stack (if you bet 40$ on the turn you are shoving river, if you check turn and bet 80$ on the river you have to call off the rest). And on the ace river you could just check it and this guy will always check back river with PP.

He's bad enough to cold call 3x vs an utg open, yet good enough to lay down a full house?

He's bad enough to cold call 3x vs an utg open, yet good enough to lay down a full house?

Are you folding PP ws UTG 3bb raise after someone else called having 180$? Turn does not change a thing and he knows it (if he has 99 he still can`t beat Kx, AA, QQ, JJ, TT).

Are you folding PP ws UTG 3bb raise after someone else called having 180$?

Am I? I might call some of the better ones, not sure why you ask? If he's playing a 180 stack, he's probably a standard recreational live donk.

Am I? I might call some of the better ones, not sure why you ask?

Why would it be a bad play to call all of them in a 1/3 live game?

I dont know if I want to set mine 22-66 with only 180 in that spot