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johnontilt87

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Thanks, I'll leave you guys alone now. no more stupid posts to laugh at sorry people. GOOD LUCK on the tables. Take care

Posted almost 3 years ago

soleztis

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beginning to believe this is one huge level.

"What is level?"

Posted almost 3 years ago

muggles

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I'm gone for a few hours and there are 105 new posts?????

Johnontilt, You make a lot of your money at poker by simply losing a little less than the other guy would have lost given a similar circumstance and by winning a little more than the other guy would have under similar circumstances.

Poker is a complex game and you need to adjust for each player. When a player is a wild player you often don't want to pump a lot of money into the pot exept when you have good hands. When you have a straight and there is a flush draw on the baord and you are playing a player who plays any suited cards, you might want to slow down a bit.

I'm not sure you are remembering that hand exactly right because you mentioned earlier that he had 2 pair on the turn and hit his flush on the river. If you had a king high straight that isn't possible with 73s. Regardless of that though, if you know how the player plays and know that he doesn't bluff then you should actually consider laying down your straight. If he does bluff a lot then you will eventually make more from your good hands from him than you would from a typical player.

There is a lot to learn and you really need to open yourself to the learning process one step at a time rather than trying to convince everyone else that they don't know what they know. Eventually you will see that there are dozens of small edges you can learn that will make you a winning player.

Posted almost 3 years ago

johnontilt87

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Im STARTING to understand EV, however its so complicated if you aren't a math whiz there is no fucking way you can figure that shit out before each bet or fold. absolutely no way thats too much math to do in 5 seconds Im sorry I dont buy it folks

Posted almost 3 years ago

muggles

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Here are some free videos that you might be interested in. The first link is a series of free webinars that Owen Gaines gave to teach the contents of his book, "Math that Matters". The second link is a series of of what I considered good lectures given by folks like Annie Duke, Phil Gordon, Doyle Brunson and DC's very own Vanessa Selbst on a wide variety of topics.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/qtippoker

http://blip.tv/bad-beat-on-cancer-poker-seminar-series

Posted almost 3 years ago

snarble5

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You don't have to do the math when playing, you don't have to do the math at all. You just have to estimate which play (folding, calling, raising, etc) has the highest EV.

The math part is just for reviewing a hand afterward so you make the correct play when a similar situation occurs again.

Posted almost 3 years ago

johnontilt87

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so tell me if this sounds right...

Im trying to work out this EV.

so if I am in position, pot is $100 and the BB shoves with $50 on the turn bringing the pot to $150. I can either call or fold. I have a flush draw, I have about 4:1 probability of hitting (or 20%) and about an 80% chance of not hitting. by my calculations the EV would be -$10 so I should fold this hand.

same situation, I have a flush draw AND and open ended straight draw. If my math is right this time my ev is +$11. and I can feel comfortable calling this one.

is that right?

Posted almost 3 years ago

johnontilt87

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You don't have to do the math when playing, you don't have to do the math at all. You just have to estimate which play (folding, calling, raising, etc) has the highest EV.

The math part is just for reviewing a hand afterward so you make the correct play when a similar situation occurs again.



ok. thanks. basically we can memorize the situation and hope to make the right call (or fold or raise) next time?

Posted almost 3 years ago

snarble5

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Yeah, that's why everyone posts hands - to learn how to play a certain situation against a certain type of player.

Like everyone else said, I'd recommend watching some videos if you have interest in learning to become better at poker. I think someone posted a link to a beginner's guide somewhere in the thread.

Posted almost 3 years ago

johnontilt87

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Yeah, that's why everyone posts hands - to learn how to play a certain situation against a certain type of player.

Like everyone else said, I'd recommend watching some videos if you have interest in learning to become better at poker. I think someone posted a link to a beginner's guide somewhere in the thread.


all the videos ive been to give you a small preview then ask you to pay. Im not paying for something that I definitely wont get my money back from lol

Posted almost 3 years ago

snarble5

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Yeah, but you could see it as a kind of investment (since it will very likely make you a winning player).

Edit: I realize you don't think this is true, but you could probably join a study group here: http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/28-Secret-HQ (which is free).

Posted almost 3 years ago

soleztis

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all the videos ive been to give you a small preview then ask you to pay. Im not paying for something that I definitely wont get my money back from lol



You will make way more than your money back. If you study hard for one month, I can almost guarantee that it is worth more than $29 EV at the tables.

Posted almost 3 years ago

johnontilt87

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all this stuff Im reading about odds and implied odds and EV is starting to make sense. and I can see how it would be useful against a player who understands it too. but when ur faced with someone who plays with no rhyme or reason, these methods or ideas become completely obsolete. this guy is throwing his chips around like an idiot and then Im the one getting screwed because he is going to hit against me no doubt. there is no defense for someone who just ALWAYS has the cards.

Posted almost 3 years ago

johnontilt87

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You will make way more than your money back. If you study hard for one month, I can almost guarantee that it is worth more than $29 EV at the tables.



in one momth studying or not i wont make anything. ill be in the negative guaranteed

Posted almost 3 years ago

johnontilt87

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i dont have money to waste on videos that aren't going to help. itll take years to make $29 at a micro table

Posted almost 3 years ago




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