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Can you explain? I've never read anything recommending more than maybe 1.2g/# even if you're doing like SS.

SS??? (not sure what that means sorry)

Simple answer: 'Its what works best for me'.
Trial and error over years of training. And this is what works best for me, I do occ. throw in a few weeks of signifcantly reduced Carbs (<20per day) to keep my body on its toes. Im not advocating it for anyone, just thought I'd share, I know its not HFLC. I take my training and nutrition seriously and duely get serious results. Or were you wanting a specific nutrition article that recommends higher consumption of protein??

I've been cutting down heavily on the carbs for the past couple of months, results are good but I'm not sure how much this can be attributed to the low carb aspect of my new diet or just cutting out the processed crap.


What's you guys feelings on breakfast cereals? I don't mean the sugar coated crap of course. What about:
a) Oatmeal
b) Muesli
c) 100% Wholegrain cereals like shredded wheat.

I usually have one of the above along with a protein shake and a piece of fruit.
The rest of my diet is mostly fresh fruit & veg, steak, pork and fish.

I love bacon/sausages but honestly my mornings are so hectic I just don't have time to prepare and eating them every morning would probably turn me off them.
Don't say eggs because I just can't eat them, I'm no fussy eater but I'm 100% sure that and the rest of humanity has fallen for some huge scam

You can pre-cook bacon or sausages and microwave them for decent results. My wife is really good about prepping stuff like that and then I am more likely to eat healthy even if I'm busy / have to be somewhere.

For anyone eating HFLC, this is a lifesaver:

http://www.bonappetit.com/blogsandforums/blogs/badaily/2011/04/how-to-poach-eggs-in-the-microwave.html

For anyone eating HFLC, this is a lifesaver:

http://www.bonappetit.com/blogsandforums/blogs/badaily/2011/04/how-to-poach-eggs-in-the-microwave.html

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quality... thank you!

Hey guys,

Not to change the subject too much, but I was wondering if anybody has read 'The China Study' but T. Colin Cambell? Just got it from somebody for christmas and was looking forward to reading it soon....

looks like an obsession with leafy and low fat stuff with very little real, satiating foods. is this an ideal day for you for what you actually eat? i think i'd be angry going to bed on a diet like this...

this is the LCHF thread, you might want to check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSeSTq-N4U4

not to be too critical since i think your diet is better than most, but we have some very different ideas of what "healthy" eating is.



i'm sorry to hear that. you must work out from dawn to dusk.

leafy = generally great! Vegetables RULE!!! Why would you think this is not "healthy" eating? Too much of what? Too little of what?

So one of my good friends who is getting his Master's in Nutrition right now said I should read these books: Primal Blueprint, Eat Move and be Healthy, and Perfect Health Diet (his favorite).

Have you guys read these books?

Not to change the subject too much, but I was wondering if anybody has read 'The China Study' but T. Colin Cambell? Just got it from somebody for christmas and was looking forward to reading it soon....

I used to think it was an awesome example of the dangers of consuming animal products but then I saw Tim Ferriss dismantle it pretty well at the end of the 4 Hour Body (I think the main point was it was bad science/inferences). I'm not informed enough on either side of the argument to make comment but I think both sides are worth checking out (something not enough people do in general).

the China Study was an observational study. it was a good start, but its hypotheses are not panning out in clinical trials.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/weight-loss-time-to-stop-denying-the-science

the difference between observation studies and clinical trials:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statistics/observational-studies-2
Science for Smart People (Youtube)

leafy = generally great! Vegetables RULE!!! Why would you think this is not "healthy" eating? Too much of what? Too little of what?

if you like veggies, go for it. but i just think you could add more fat. other than the eggs, almonds, chocolate, peanuts, i see very little fat in that diet. so it seems like most of your energy is coming from carbs (and the associated short-term metabolic responses to such a diet as people keep repeating in the thread like the constant hunger and mental fogginess), even if they are unrefined. but i could be wrong and maybe you eat the chicken breasts with the skin intact.

i tried to read The Primal Blueprint when i first started paleo, but there's too much rambling and pseudoscientific claims imo. thus the reason why i chose to start a new thread. i've not read the other two books you mentioned.

IDK what happened but all the sudden I see the China study everywhere. One of my vegan buddies is going crazy over this documentary that quotes this study as basically the end all be all holy grail of absolute proof that meat = swift death.

The study suffers from the typical food studies in that correlation does not mean causation. They compare different groups with a million different variables, one of which is meat consumption, then conclude that the meat is the sole cause of all that ails those who are eating it.

I heard an interview with one of these celebacy advocates awhile back and she tried to argue that because Japanese women don't take birth control as much, that is why they get less breast cancer. This is essentially what the China study does. There are a million reasons they get less breast cancer, they weigh less and eat a completely different diet for starters, yet people point to one thing and say "that must be it".

To Nawhead:
My fats outside what you mentioned (and possibly me): 1 avacado throughout the day, Greek Yogurt in the morning, coconut oil/olive oil on various things (including chicken).

I wouldn't go as far to say that I get most my energy from carbs, but I do think I get more than I should/want to. I have been slowly adjusting to what to eat as a diet over last 6 months so the diet is slowly transforming into a higher fat/ lower carb diet.

I have yet to read those books, but he says the last one I mentioned was his favorite - perhaps it has more facts and less claims.

What does your daily intake look like? I am intrigued

My fats outside what you mentioned (and possibly me): 1 avacado throughout the day, Greek Yogurt in the morning, coconut oil/olive oil on various things (including chicken).

the coconot and olive oil looks good. it all sounds really healthy.

as for me, i already mentioned i eat junk/fast food basically. sometimes breakfast at McDonald's, just the eggs and sausage with coffee. maybe eat breakfast 2/3 of time. breakfast is a ritual more than "gotta eat or else no energy" type thing. just ate Chipotle for lunch 2 days in a row: steak, guac, brown rice, but threw away most of the rice. mexican again last night, steak tortillas (i just eat it with a fork) with 2 glasses of red wine. night before, steak, no sauce. night before, chicken wings, again no sauce, (it wasn't that great, not enough fat, and i was hungry in the morning). there's also a ton of scrambled eggs in there somewhere.

i don't really have a set diet and i eat out a lot. it might be completely different next week. i just eat animals and baby animals and leave most of the carbs on the plate. so, basically i eat unhealthy according to conventional wisdom (and paleo also), and why i don't say i eat paleo anymore.

i might actually be more keto than anything right now. the only real paleo thing i do is go for extended periods without eating sometimes to keep my body guessing.

and i'm at my high school weight right now but with more muscle mass, and i get in some roadwork (hate treadmills) 1-2 times a week, but that's mostly for fun.

so that's my anecdotal data point. but all you have to do is look at the clinical trial data to see this is not all that extraordinary.

visuals might help. i'm not gonna post naked myspace pics, but i'm a tad less muscular than this dude, more or less. he has more hair than me tho.

Can you shoot webs too?

that's personal, tyvm.