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oh, so it's to maximize performance for 2-a-days (or 3-a-days!). good stuff.

thanks, Rob.

quoting myself...

for healthy people, are we talking about hormesis. is that the reason to eat some carbs?

i'm re-considering taking in some more select carbs.

should we eat/drink foods rich in polyphenols (berries, dark chocolate, caffeinated coffee, black tea, green tea, apples, red wine, red grapes, red onions, broccoli, bitter beer) not for their antioxidant properties but for their prooxidant properties to induce mitohormesis?

as explored by Stephan Guyenet, PhD in:
Polyphenols, Hormesis and Disease: Part I
Polyphenols, Hormesis and Disease: Part II

should we eat/drink foods rich in polyphenols (berries, dark chocolate, caffeinated coffee, black tea, green tea, apples, red wine, red grapes, red onions, broccoli, bitter beer) not for their antioxidant properties but for their properties to induce deliciousness?

FYP.

i left everything off the list which i don't think are tasty.

potentially naive question: how do you guys trust any of these sources you have? Unless you have access to a compressive bio-medical database, it seems like no sources are really trust worthy

potentially naive question: how do you guys trust any of these sources you have? Unless you have access to a compressive bio-medical database, it seems like no sources are really trust worthy

I am a biomedical engineer.....

potentially naive question: how do you guys trust any of these sources you have? Unless you have access to a compressive bio-medical database, it seems like no sources are really trust worthy

I have a PhD (also in biomedical engineering - high five iluv68!), so being good at this is kind of my job. Decent critical thinking skills will get you through most things tbh - a video nawhead posted earlier in this thread is a pretty decent primer on how to wade through this stuff with no scientific background. Hopefully it's fairly clear when someone like our fruititarian friend says something, it's not very scientifically sound. Big difference between water detoxing or whatever and clinical studies.

potentially naive question: how do you guys trust any of these sources you have? Unless you have access to a compressive bio-medical database, it seems like no sources are really trust worthy

A better question is, where can I get access to this database? Or rather, to the studies themselves.

A better question is, where can I get access to this database? Or rather, to the studies themselves.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

Generally you need to be a member of a research university (or have access to their libraries as an alum) to read most articles, but more and more journals are allowing free access.

never seen this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_1dCbbR4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vpFV6Wkl4

Rob

i never get tired of listening to Taubes. i've prob listened to variations of this talk a dozen times now.


the takeaway from Gary Taubes @Google (just time stamped to the conclusion of the talk):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vpFV6Wkl4&t=53m15s

never seen this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_1dCbbR4I

I thought it was great!

testing aerobic performance pre-ketosis v ketosis:
http://waroninsulin.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-athletic-performance

this guy improved his aerobic efficiency 125% while decreasing his VO2 max 12% after ketosis.

time to experiment.

Shouldnt you want to increase your VO2 max ? http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/VO2max.html

Shouldnt you want to increase your VO2 max ? http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/VO2max.html

according to the same article, "in elite athletes, VO2 max is not a good predictor of performance. [...] While a high VO2 max may be a prerequisite for performance in endurance events at the highest level, other markers such as lactate threshold are more predictive of performance."

anaerobic threshold (lactate threshold) improved by 22% as well.