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I've been eating oatmeal thinking I'd lose weight but apparently that's a bad idea. I guess I'll just copy you and live off of McDoubles. Oh well...

a lot of these videos i already posted in the Primal Blueprint thread, but here it is again for easy retrieval:

Popular science:
Paleo Diet Leaders Art DeVany and Robb Wolf On Nightline 3-1-11
Art DeVany on the New Evolution Diet
Big Fat Lies (from Fat Head)
Why You Got Fat (from Fat Head)
Big Fat Fiasco pt. 1 (talk by director of Fat Head)

Hard science:
Christopher Gardner, PhD, at Stanford School of Medicine - The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?)
Gary Taubes at Dartmouth Medical School - Why We Get Fat: Adiposity 101 and the Alternative Hypothesis of Obesity

Badass science:
TurBaconEpic Thanksgiving - Epic Meal Time

Thanks for the video links. I can refer people to these as I get fed up of being asked to explain why I don't eat refined carbs and stuff all the time.

All this carbs talk is making me hungry....going to get some pizza

Thanks for the video links. I can refer people to these as I get fed up of being asked to explain why I don't eat refined carbs and stuff all the time.

thanks, and i hope it's helpful in that quest. i think the first video i posted in the first post, from Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt, is my favorite so far. for the more skeptical, the Christopher Gardner talk is very good since he's neutral on it as he's a vegetarian. and Gary Taubes is a must if you wanna get into the nitty gritty of how things got this way, but it gets very technical in some parts.

All this carbs talk is making me hungry....going to get some pizza

don't forget the double pepperoni.

Hey nawhead, I find this kind of interesting. I do have some questions though. How are your blood lipids and HDL and LDL cholesterol levels? What about your blood triglycerides?

Hey nawhead, I find this kind of interesting. I do have some questions though. How are your blood lipids and HDL and LDL cholesterol levels? What about your blood triglycerides?

i don't have health insurance, so i haven't been to the doctor in years.

changes in cholesterol wrt different diets is covered in the Stanford study (as well as many others, but i've been lazy in collecting links for them. i'll try right now tho.).

"Popular diets, particularly those low in carbohydrates, have challenged current recommendations advising a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet for weight loss. Potential benefits and risks have not been tested adequately. [...] Weight loss was not statistically different among the Zone, LEARN, and Ornish groups. At 12 months, secondary outcomes [edit: lipid profile (low-density lipoprotein, high-density lipoprotein, and non–high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels), percentage of body fat, waist-hip ratio, fasting insulin and glucose levels, and blood pressure.] for the Atkins group were comparable with or more favorable than the other diet groups."
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/297/9/969.abstract?sid=fe77e359-32c0-4257-8665-a94830054747

"Untested alternative weight loss diets, such as very low carbohydrate diets, have unsubstantiated efficacy and the potential to adversely affect cardiovascular risk factors. Therefore, we designed a randomized, controlled trial to determine the effects of a very low carbohydrate diet on body composition and cardiovascular risk factors. [...] Based on these data, a very low carbohydrate diet is more effective than a low fat diet for short-term weight loss and, over 6 months, is not associated with deleterious effects on important cardiovascular risk factors in healthy women."
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/88/4/1617.long

"The effects of a carbohydrate-restricted diet on weight loss and risk factors for atherosclerosis have been incompletely assessed. [...] An analysis including all subjects, with the last observation carried forward for those who dropped out, showed that subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet lost more weight than those on the low-fat diet (mean [±SD], –5.8±8.6 kg vs. –1.9±4.2 kg; P=0.002) and had greater decreases in triglyceride levels (mean, –20±43 percent vs. –4±31 percent; P=0.001), irrespective of the use or nonuse of hypoglycemic or lipid-lowering medications. "
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022637

"Objectives: To compare the effects of a low-carbohydrate (LC) diet with those of a low-fat (LF) diet on weight loss and serum lipids in overweight adolescents. [...] Results The LC group lost more weight (mean, 9.9 ± 9.3 kg vs 4.1 ± 4.9 kg, P < .05) and had improvement in non-HDL cholesterol levels (P < .05). There was improvement in LDL cholesterol levels (P < .05) in the LF group but not in the LC group. There were no adverse effects on the lipid profiles of participants in either group. Conclusions The LC diet appears to be an effective method for short-term weight loss in overweight adolescents and does not harm the lipid profile."
http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(02)40206-5/abstract

well you get the idea... since tests like these weren't done in the 70's when the FAT SCARE started, there's really not much of a debate as far as i'm concerned. but don't take my word for it.

here's a list of new trials compiled by Dr. Eeenfeldt (including the Stanford study):
http://www.dietdoctor.com/weight-loss-time-to-stop-denying-the-science

did you increase your carb intake while lowering fat intake? or did you also lower your calorie and carb intake as well?

I have actually somewhat increased now. To start with while sorting my diet out my calorie intake dropped dramatically. I think I've got the balance about right for me probably.

how do you feel if you haven't ate in 4 hours?

Totally schizo and panicky. Can't really ever leave it that long between meals (except when I'm sleeping) because of the health problem, anyway.

After the primal blueprint thread and watching the documentary Fat Head http://www.fathead-movie.com/ I have changed my diet to essentially Paleo.

I live in Korea and their diet is pretty incredible if you avoid the rice http://www.maangchi.com/talk/topic/42-kilos-lost-and-counting

I have seen about 3 fat people in Korea and all of them are foreigners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_cuisine

They eat lots of meat and vegetables and spices. Pretty much paleo, minus the rice!

crossfit guys are big into paleo/low carb eating. and those guys are brutes.

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Hey nawhead, I find this kind of interesting. I do have some questions though. How are your blood lipids and HDL and LDL cholesterol levels? What about your blood triglycerides?

If you decide to radically change your diet, I would recommend getting some blood work done now and after six months. If stuff drastically changes for the worse, stop (six months of whatever won't kill you)! One thing that is almost certain for most diets is that there is a huge amount of interindividual variability that we do not understand the causes of yet. So just because this works for a lot of other people does not mean it'll have the same effect on you.

how do you feel if you haven't ate in 4 hours?

Totally schizo and panicky. Can't really ever leave it that long between meals (except when I'm sleeping) because of the health problem, anyway.

that's one of the classic symptoms of lowering fat intake. i suffered from these swings as well, and i had to lower my total caloric intake to lessen it. but then i was just kind of hungry and slow all the time.

but you have a medical condition, so i'll just let your doctor do his job.

I have seen about 3 fat people in Korea and all of them are foreigners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_cuisine

They eat lots of meat and vegetables and spices. Pretty much paleo, minus the rice!

the only bad thing in asian cuisine is the noodles. they're everywhere, and people gorge on the stuff. and also, asian people put on fat differently, and the baseline for "normal" is a lot thinner/smaller when compared to westerners. if there are two men of comparable height and weight, and one was asian and the other white, the asian guy is overweight (or just has extra weight).

Yeah that's 100% right, noodles and rice and mostly carb based foods make people fat. Asians are pretty skinny on average though

are you confused by health news? are you tired of hearing conflicting advice about food X every few weeks? do you want to look at a medical study and actually understand it? don't have time to go to medical school but want to think more critically than someone with a PhD?

Science for Smart People talk by Tom Naughton

don't have time to go to medical school but want to think more critically than someone with a PhD?

lol

That guy has just as clear of an agenda as some of the scientists he's trying to take down (I'm not saying he's wrong, just that he's cherry picking), and he gets to do it from a position of (relative) safety. I also think he drastically sensationalizes the points about scientists lying - most work I've done/read actually understates importance rather than embellishes it. Also his beef on that front needs to be as much with the system of rewarding bold claims as it is with the people making the claims. Big claims = big papers = big grants. His stuff about hating on mouse studies is also lame - most truly useful discoveries that happens in mice go to humans before definitive results are claimed. All of this being said, the general points of his talk are really good and it should be a primer for reading anything, not just science. Critical thinking is a shamefully sparse skill in our society.