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Where's A7?

Don't think he raises river with it.

But we think he raises AK? They're basically the same strength here.

Where's A7?

Guys a nit, homie.

So then why do we put A3 in his range?

he has also A7 in his range, he is just not raising river with it,but he is raising A3

Makes sense, I'm just saying we say all of these are in his range, but if he's going to raise the river w/ AK, wouldn't he raise the river with A7 if they are pretty much the same value? I mean, i3bet clearly made the correct fold.

So clicking this one back because it's hard for him to call with a Qx hand and he never plays a FD like this?

He really doesn't play this hand like this with anything he can continue with like he most likely doesn't raise Qx or sets and i don't think he calls PF with KK/QQ/AA

Enjoying the discussion ITT, i think there is a lot to take out of this for us micro/SSNL players

But we think he raises AK? They're basically the same strength here.

A7 is clearly weaker since it loses to AK.

its one of those spots where a 17/12 literally never bluffs. A3s is also possible as well as some QXcc that are possible. It's just that these guys do not bluff in these spots.

Agree with this. I think that's why people who excel at the philosophy of the game instead of the math aspect tend to do better. Combo wise it's unlikely for him to have KK+ A3s or quads but I think that's all you see here from virtually every true 17/12 who hasn't lost his mind.

Agree with this. I think that's why people who excel at the philosophy of the game instead of the math aspect tend to do better. Combo wise it's unlikely for him to have KK+ A3s or quads but I think that's all you see here from virtually every true 17/12 who hasn't lost his mind.

Shout out i suck at maths, maybe i'm not good at either though brb boycotting.

Just wanted to pop in and say that when reviewing the AK hand, the first thing I told myself on the river was "this is a b/f spot." Top 2 is nothing but a bluffcatcher if he raises because he's never c/r worse for value. As soon as he raised, I folded in my mind and moved on. Learning to play the turn and river well is going to hugely affect your winrate since that is when shit gets real aka the pot gets big. At small stakes, people simply aren't c/r bluffing rivers in the face of bets that tell a plausible story of strength. And there's a reason people don't c/r bluff rivers at small stakes - people don't fold. If he's aware of this fact at all, it becomes an even easier b/f. Wp OP.

Agree with this. I think that's why people who excel at the philosophy of the game instead of the math aspect tend to do better. Combo wise it's unlikely for him to have KK+ A3s or quads but I think that's all you see here from virtually every true 17/12 who hasn't lost his mind.

This is probably true. I find myself always thinking, well I'm getting over 4 to 1 so I can't fold....but it ends up they just always have it. I really need to work on folding in some of those spots.

Just wanted to pop in and say that when reviewing the AK hand, the first thing I told myself on the river was "this is a b/f spot." Top 2 is nothing but a bluffcatcher if he raises because he's never c/r worse for value. As soon as he raised, I folded in my mind and moved on. Learning to play the turn and river well is going to hugely affect your winrate since that is when shit gets real aka the pot gets big. At small stakes, people simply aren't c/r bluffing rivers in the face of bets that tell a plausible story of strength. And there's a reason people don't c/r bluff rivers at small stakes - people don't fold. If he's aware of this fact at all, it becomes an even easier b/f. Wp OP.

I agree with the fold and I would be snap folding too if we didn't have the A of clubs, but I do think it's a lot closer when you block like every flush he can have.

I got up like 1.8k but then lost it at 200nl haha

Will you still be able to do it do you think?

btw I asked for a graph before.. and will ask again and again!! I'd like to see that redline