Danzasmack played some more HUPLO and he and DJ Sensei review the action.
Danzasmack wanders off on a HU PLO journey, but will he return with the gold? Time will tell. Fortunately, he has DJ Sensei around to guide him.
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If you had just trips and no FH, would you still ship it? Maybe check/call?
On the turn? I think bet-call is still good with trips since we want to protect against/get value from draws. I very rarely prefer a c/c when we have initiative and the pot is getting big, especially if we have a vulnerable hand.
If you mean if we bet the turn, get called, and see a blanky river, i'd probably c/c since our kicker sucks and we have a decent chance to induce a bluff.
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I agree that a poor strategy now is to build up pots early only to give them up later streets, it gives him back some momentum, actually that's always a big leak. But not 4betting this hand is imo too weak. It's like only calling with jacks in hold em to see that no over cards come. The most likely scenario is not that he 5bets, it's that he calls with whatever garbage he 3bet only to fold the flop. Our hand flops so well and passing up on that EV feels like a leak.
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Only vs the worst of non adjusting players I would consider checking here, I mean showing him we check AQxx here can't be good for our c-betting in the future. Also, if we wanna check back some showdown here, doing it with a worse Qxxx feels better?
And bet the turn! ![]()
I like that DC is doing a HU PLO series since some of us only play HU. Thought I wish/recommend that you actually focus more while playing, makes for a better video and also for your own progress as a player. You miss out on so much value, not bluffing in some spots where you just instacheck the river etc. Your betsizing is also not balanced/easy to read for what it is for a better player than the villian in this video.
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On the AQ74 hand how close is it between barreling again and checking for deception/pot control for river? On a 9432 board there can't be too much of his range that includes made hands at this point outside of 5678 or like A765 etc.
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Also in a game like 50plo HU or 100plo HU what sort of button opening % should we be shooting for while maintaining an aggressive image? 70-75%? more, less?
Hey, this is probably a stupid question but DJ, where can I find your credentials for your ability to play PLO? I only can find one screen name from you and that is on full tilt. You didn't have very steller results, however, I'm sure that you have other screen names with much better results. Can you point me in that direction?
Thanks
watching this for pure entertainment. Pure comedy ..............lol .". rivers like this is why they invented beer"
I agree that a poor strategy now is to build up pots early only to give them up later streets, it gives him back some momentum, actually that's always a big leak. But not 4betting this hand is imo too weak. It's like only calling with jacks in hold em to see that no over cards come. The most likely scenario is not that he 5bets, it's that he calls with whatever garbage he 3bet only to fold the flop. Our hand flops so well and passing up on that EV feels like a leak.
Our hand has 47.6% equity hot and cold against the top 13% of hands. Obviously that isn't the main consideration, but it should be a factor. Also I don't think your JJ example is quite appropriate, that would be more the case with a hand like KKxx or QQxx that has good hot/cold equity but is unlikely to improve on the flop. This hand flops well, as you said, so we shouldn't be that upset about, well, taking a flop.
That's not to say that 4betting here is a bad play, but I don't think its as clear as you make it out to be. And I stand by my 'stuck villain psychology' reasoning.
Only vs the worst of non adjusting players I would consider checking here, I mean showing him we check AQxx here can't be good for our c-betting in the future. Also, if we wanna check back some showdown here, doing it with a worse Qxxx feels better?
And bet the turn!
Well first of all, for him to see our hand we actually have to go to showdown. And if we do, we probably did so in a much more +EV manner (more value on later streets, induced bluffs we could actually call, etc.) I'd argue that the EV we gain from this one hand is worth more than what most players could take away from us later by adjusting. Also, taking this line (showdown or no) increases our potential for delayed c-bets and other such plays. If we convince him that we're showdown bound by checking back a dry flop, he'll often just concede anyhow, and now we have more ways to win that pot than just betting the flop and hoping he folds.
Also, why would you bet the turn? I don't think we get much value from worse hands or get better ones to fold. There isn't much reason to protect our hand. So, why bet?
On the AQ74 hand how close is it between barreling again and checking for deception/pot control for river? On a 9432 board there can't be too much of his range that includes made hands at this point outside of 5678 or like A765 etc.
If its a loose villain, he can have tons of low-card hands that connect with this board, and also will be less likely to fold them. He doesn't have to have a straight to call the turn, either (though turning bottom set is an unusual event
). Against a tighter villain i'm probably more likely to barrel because more of his range will be 9xxx hands and modest overpairs who want a cheap showdown. In that case, our range is the one that can connect better to the board, and so he won't want to face the threat of a third barrel without some actual drawing equity (unlikely since we have the spades).
Also in a game like 50plo HU or 100plo HU what sort of button opening % should we be shooting for while maintaining an aggressive image? 70-75%? more, less?
I've never really been one to suggest that we shoot for a particular % in anything. Every opponent is different, so our strategies should vary greatly. I will say that I generally start a match against a new opponent by opening close to 100% of buttons until I have a reason not to, and that I don't think I'd be opening less than 75% of buttons almost ever.
Hey, this is probably a stupid question but DJ, where can I find your credentials for your ability to play PLO? I only can find one screen name from you and that is on full tilt. You didn't have very steller results, however, I'm sure that you have other screen names with much better results. Can you point me in that direction?
Thanks
PTR is probably pretty flawed. Here's all the PLO hands I've played from 2010 onwards. Winrates sometimes skewed low by playing too many tables at once to meet '# of hands in a month' prop bets or playing a wider variety of styles for the purposes of making a video series.
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/892/ploresults.png
Also fwiw, my HU winrate is about 3x as high. I should probably play more of that...
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