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ETA: I think in general you're missing the point of what the other side of this...whatever it is are saying. The sugar in an orange/apple/grape/whatever is not really different from the sugar in a candy bar. Sure the fruit has other nutrients the candy bar doesn't have, and it has less sugar calorie density or whatever, but sugar is sugar and none of it is good for you. That fact is extremely well established - even your wikipedia page says that fruits have lots of sugar in them.

To elaborate, sucrose (table sugar) is a disaccharide composed of glucose and fructose. This is why the "sugar" in candybars are not too different than the sugar in fruits...

I agree that vegetables + tea + humus = awesome stacks

study done by a vegetarian college professor in California. doesn't get more liberal bias than this:
The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?)

carnivore propaganda:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/

jeez this stuff goes for so long

what i hope for one day is a universal database, basically like wikipedia but where all the universities are combined and upload to this database that researchers and uneducated people alike can check it out, so much more efficient than the ridiculous system we have now, technology will boom

They don't preach fast weight loss at all, quite the reverse. Its even been used by the National Health Service in the UK as a cost-effective way of tackling obesity. I imagine the WW products is a business arm in itself and looking to make money in its own way. I am not that surprised to hear there are problems with it, but the program can be followed without buying any of those products.

Maybe the fast weight loss was the philosophy my mother had on her mind

Just because the UK adopted it means nothing, because if it did that would imply the goverement was actually organised and efficent

To elaborate, sucrose (table sugar) is a disaccharide composed of glucose and fructose. This is why the "sugar" in candybars are not too different than the sugar in fruits...

I agree that vegetables + tea + humus = awesome stacks

There is a big difference between having a small amount of fructose in a piece of fruit, and having it concentrated in processed food.

I've actually stumbled across a tea that apparently is like coffee without the drop of effect, in the sense it gives more energy but no low comes, and also something called brahmi which apparently after 30 days one's cognitive ability increases from using it

Please explain to us your research methodology

My research methodology? LOL. Didn't know that anyone in this thread was claiming to be a nutritional researcher. The one guy who says he's a scientist, stated that a balanced ratio of carbs/fat/protein would imply a ratio of 33/33/33. I'm still chuckling about that one.

My research methodology? LOL. Didn't know that anyone in this thread was claiming to be a nutritional researcher. The one guy who says he's a scientist, stated that a balanced ratio of carbs/fat/protein would imply a ratio of 33/33/33. I'm still chuckling about that one.

whilst i'm more on team travis, nobody likes people who get a arrogrant derived high over semantics

oh and i read a study that wasn't that credible that said chewing gum had shown to increase cognitive ability. from my personal introverted observations i've found the same with myself, so am gonna condition myself to heavily focus whenever chewing gum, could work

Could you translate that?

not gonna get into a chatroom debate here. a lot of information has been laid out already. if you feel like actually understanding this stuff would benefit your life, that's cool. if you think it's a bunch of bs, that's cool too. i respect people's desires to do/believe what they want. not here to prove anything to anyone. certainly don't appreciate anyone trying to hard sell me on anything either. just wanted to put the best information i think i've found on the subject out there. no need to get all hysterical and attack people though.

There is a big difference between having a small amount of fructose in a piece of fruit, and having it concentrated in processed food.

Yes, there is, but I was referring to the sugar itself (that single component of both), not the different concentration levels.....

There is a big difference between having a small amount of fructose in a piece of fruit, and having it concentrated in processed food.

this is a real banana
this is what humans might have ate 10,000+ years ago in the wild, when most of our evolution had already happened.

this is a bunch of nonsense

hahahahaha funny comparison

Have you got any evidence about the bloodstream fruit thing? It goes against what I believe, but to be frank it's just dogma....

Blood sugar levels have to stay within a certain range. When fruit gets digested the fructose hits your bloodstream causing insulin to be released which stops your body using fat as an energy source and opens up "gates" to the fat, liver, etc for the fructose (now glucose) to be stored in so your blood sugar doesn't get too high. You don't get the response from fat/protein.

Oh btw I should have mentioned earlier... I'm not saying don't ever eat fruit I generally eat it once a week. In fact there's some evidence that eating fruit in the mornings will reduce insulin levels throughout the day.

I've actually stumbled across a tea that apparently is like coffee without the drop of effect, in the sense it gives more energy but no low comes

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) ?

Oh btw with the diet being a headfuck thing, I agree, and you can't anyone's word for anything... I'm sure I'm wrong about a ton of things. But don't take "health organizations" word for it either. Generally they're funded by industries with an agenda (look at the healthy food pyramid... 6-11 servings of grain! That's alot! Oh wait it was created by the US department of agriculture). The good thing is we're in an age now where you can sceptically assess the data yourself and draw your own conclusions. Of course there's resources that will help this along, something like Tim Ferriss's 4 Hour Body would be a good start, easy to understand without too much bias and based on sourced evidence/studies rather than opinion. Also has a decent amount of data on vegetarian/vegan diets and how to make them work well.

Actually people have been drying fruit, grain and vegetables, for winter use, for thousands of years and supplementing that supply with that obtained from trade.... etc

On an evolutionary scale all of that is pretty insignificant, I was more so referring to 10k-200k years ago. In any case evo biology is pretty tricky and evolving in environments with only seasonal access to fruits may not mean that's the best way, was just trying to provide some perspective that perhaps the "daily fruit consumption for good health" line we're bombarded with may not be as solid as we've believed it to be. Like a year ago I thought you would probably die/get very sick if you don't eat fruit for 3-6 months, but people have been subjected to that for eternity and do fine.

But yeah I understand with these things people have their ideas and generally stay with them so it's been fun and I'm out.

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