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Poker Video: Misc/Other by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

alright techmo what if the player being cheated out of the money was a rapist,
earlier he had told you "If i win money tonight, im going to use it to go rape little boys"
this was the last hand of the night,
and this hand put him in the red. he lost money.
if you say anything, he gets the money and now wins money.
and consequently rapes little boys.

now is it still wrong to not speak up and give him what he is entitled to?

ps. there are no other options, giving him the money, then kicking his ass in the parking lot and sending him to jail is not allowed.

thanks-
#thedevilsadvocate.

Pretty good chance this thread is out of control and we should probably change course, I think my own post was already a step past the line, matt just went flying right by the line

Pretty good chance this thread is out of control and we should probably change course, I think my own post was already a step past the line, matt just went flying right by the line

Would there be a way to bypass the "right or wrong" discussion and continue with a discussion on how speaking up or not speaking up will affect your profitability implications and image at the table?

Will players possibly respect you a little more and fold? Or will they be pissed and "attack" your play? Anyone have examples?

Hey guys, who cares?

One time I was playing "Go Fish" and said I didn't have a 4, but I really did

Pretty good chance this thread is out of control and we should probably change course, I think my own post was already a step past the line, matt just went flying right by the line

haha sorry guys. i have fun.

cliff notes: I think its convenient and egotistical of you to claim to know what others willingly accept as 'part of the game'.

I think how you view it is a quaint rationalization that makes you feel ok about taking money from people of less skill and/or intelligence than yourself.

This seems like an unnecessary personal attack in an effort to get your point across for some reason. Regardless, I'll continue. Do you disagree that most players sit down at a poker table with the assumption that the rules will be followed? All I was trying to say is that I believe most people expect a certain amount of fairness, which includes the basic rules being followed. I'm not sure how that has anything to do with me making any sort of rationalizations to make myself feel better. If you want to bring in the gambling addicts or other rare cases to refute what was clearly a generalization, so be it. I never intended to speak for every single player on the planet. If most people don't expect the rules to be followed, then it's news to me.

It also seems like you don't see a difference between a player losing money because the basic rules of the game were not followed and an opponent using better decision-making to take that same player's money. One is against the agreed upon rules and one is not. Maybe I misunderstood you though and if so, I apologize.

I also don't see what point you are trying to make. I agree with pretty much all of it, yet still am unable to see how it refutes my point that people expect the basic rules to be followed.

alright techmo what if the player being cheated out of the money was a rapist,
earlier he had told you "If i win money tonight, im going to use it to go rape little boys"
this was the last hand of the night,
and this hand put him in the red. he lost money.
if you say anything, he gets the money and now wins money.
and consequently rapes little boys.

now is it still wrong to not speak up and give him what he is entitled to?

I admire your attempt to come up with some crazy scenario that makes it difficult for me, but alas you failed. Speaking up is still correct because that player is being cheated. What he does as a result is irrelevant. You are trying to say that we should take into account and be responsible for possible future actions when determining the right thing to do in the moment. If a guy wins a ton of money at poker and then uses that money to fund X, where X is something horrible, then does that mean he should not have been allowed to play? Of course not.

Time Link to 00:22:54

Joe, you proceed to talk about developing a standard line/role here to go along with the "straight cash homie" mentality. Can you explain your concern with breaking from mum poker mentality and how this will affect your subsequent interactions with the regulars? Is it just a concern that you'll have to talk more often about anything and everything, or more of a concern with possible changes to their playing styles against you?

Joe, you proceed to talk about developing a standard line/role here to go along with the "straight cash homie" mentality. Can you explain your concern with breaking from mum poker mentality and how this will affect your subsequent interactions with the regulars? Is it just a concern that you'll have to talk more often about anything and everything, or more of a concern with possible changes to their playing styles against you?

Many people cross things over from friendly chatter to poker play. If I'm friendly and talking about sports say, suddenly they get pissed off when you c/r-own them on the river. A way to deal with this is not to get all that involved and keep to yourself/mum-poker.

Great use of the word 'dingdong' to describe one of the bad players in the game

Just throwing something out there on the speaking up debate - in the game of Monopoly, if someone lands on your property and you don't notice that they owe you rent and play continues, too bad. Noone else is obliged to say anything. When a family board game puts the onus on the player to be personally aware of what is happening like this, surely its not that much of a stretch to expect the same of players in a poker game???

Time Link to 00:16:25

Since the cards read themselves, when is it ever wrong to mention an error? At Foxwoods they constantly bring 21 dealers into the poker room, and the table basically tells them to go slow enough that we can correct their errors until they can get up to speed (really sucks to be stuck at Foxwoods most the time).

"Since the cards read themselves, when is it ever wrong to mention an error?"

I don't think it's ever wrong to mention an error.

Time Link to 00:34:58

LOL @ the reaction from Joe.

Joe & Tommy this video is absolutely fantastic, its like a radio show for poker. Please make more! I could listen to this all day.