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About a year ago 1BYONE came up with a great idea to do a 50k hand challenge:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/4-General-Discussion/284661--Official-DC-50K-hands-Ch

For those of you that participated, you remember how much fun it was and a few coaches were cool enough to donate prizes (free coaching, etc.)

Although it was a blast to participate with fellow DC members... I see how the concept was great but a bit flawed. The problem was that the competition was about who can make the most money after 50k hands irregardless of stake or game. This left our microstakes players out in the cold as there would be no way to compete with the NL200+ regs.

So I propose this... The second Annual 50k challenge but this time with one major modification such as:

1) Tiered Competitions --> A bracket for NL2 -> NL10 players; NL20-NL50; NL200-600
2) Sign up for a bracket and can only play your hands in that bracket.
3) Each bracket will have its own winners

What are your thoughts/ideas? Any interest? Can snowraiser pull a repeat?

I didn't participate in the first one, and not sure if it was discussed, but 50k hands is way different whether you play HU, FR, 6max, SnGs, MTTs, etc. Maybe make very specific brackets based on game, and maybe a coach from each specialty to sponsor the given bracket? Then maybe do a grand prize by having the winner of each bracket, write a theory article, record a vid of any kind (theory, HH, live play) based on the challenge, and have the community vote on the best submission.

Sounds like fun. Lets do it!!!

Interested.

Why not most BB over the sample?

In for whatever it is.

I'd like to do this even if I'm not in the comp directly. Also happy to offer a coaching session as a prize again like last time.

Just to clarify... IIRC, last time everyone started with a bankroll of $100? so would there be a set bankroll amount for each stake? Also, if someone signs up for a certain bracket, say 20-50NL, they can't move beyond that at any point?

I'm probably in regardless.

NLHE or PLO? or both?

Sounds good! Most number of BB by the end seems like the logical way to go. Preferably excluding rake, too.

sounds good... count me in...

count me in as well for NL10 ! When do we start and what must we do !?

50k hands is way different whether you play HU, FR, 6max, SnGs, MTTs, etc. Maybe make very specific brackets based on game

I was thinking about this as well and though this would be a great idea. The only thing I was worried about was enrollment. Do you think we have enough players to do FR, HU, SnGs, MTTs?

SnGs/MTTs we can go by ROI over a set number of games. FR/HU/6max can play the same.

I just stuck to grouping FR/6max and NLHE together since the vast majority of players in DC are in those fields (and FR seems to be too few to group alone and wouldn't affect much being grouped with 6max)
What are your ideas on this?

maybe a coach from each specialty to sponsor the given bracket?

This is brilliant... the coach would offer his own prize for the bracket and be the sponsor for it. Since shuttle was cool and generous enough to offer a free coaching session again he would be ideal to be a sponsor for a bracket if he would like. They wouldn't have to keep the brackets going... we could assign a reliable person to maintain each throughout the challenge... they would just have their name on it and in turn offer a prize to the winner/top 3/etc however they want to structure their bracket's prize.

Then maybe do a grand prize by having the winner of each bracket, write a theory article, record a vid of any kind (theory, HH, live play) based on the challenge, and have the community vote on the best submission.

I love this idea... this would be like the Pro Bowl in the NFL or All-Star Game in the NBA.

Why not most BB over the sample?

I was thinking about that at first but I kept worrying about winrates at NL2 and NL10 being able to crush the NL200-600 players. Someone could feasibly just spam 50k hands multitabling NL2 and crush with a monster winrate... What do you think?

I'd like to do this even if I'm not in the comp directly. Also happy to offer a coaching session as a prize again like last time.

Shuttle, that's great! It would be much appreciated It would also be fun for you and other coaches to join in so can see how we measure up! Or maybe even hold a separate bracket for coaches which I believe most are at the same level 200-600 here. Could come up with some great prop bets and I'm sure everyone that subscribes to DC would be watching that bracket with enthusiasm

Just to clarify... IIRC, last time everyone started with a bankroll of $100? so would there be a set bankroll amount for each stake?

yeah we can come up with something managable.. maybe 10 buyins for the max level. Say for the NL2-10 group: $100; The NL20-100 group: $1000; The NL200-600 Group: $6000.

This would also (because of BRM) force the Top tier in each group to drop down a level or two before they build back up and thus give them a bit of a handicap in the way of hands completed before since they would have completed a number at a lower stake before they went back to the top tier (e.g. NL100 player dropping to NL50 for 10k hands or so to build bankroll for NL100)

The grouping will also allow players to complete the challenge while playing a stake they normally play anyway without having to find extra hours in the day to do the challenge. The last challenge alot of players gave up because they didn't have the time to grind hands outside their set limit to complete the challenge (eg. NL200 grinder have to spend a few extra hours a day playing NL10).

Also, if someone signs up for a certain bracket, say 20-50NL, they can't move beyond that at any point?

I we could allow them to switch brackets if they wanted to but the money counted wouldn't go towards their initial bracket.. same thing with dropping down. Although this might get a bit confusing and not be worth it for the player. Anyone else have an idea of how this could be integrated fairly?

Sounds good! Most number of BB by the end seems like the logical way to go. Preferably excluding rake, too.

Well although this sounds great... winrates at NL10 would be obviously higher than say NL400 if a NL400 player came to NL10. Our MS players have much more experience than our NL10 players so I think it would be best just to group the players.

if there is an MTT bracket ill be tempted to do it, what stakes? im thinking sngs would be more fair bc if you happen to luckbox say a 1r on stars on a sunday there is no way in hell a USA player on merge can catch that in a reasonable amount of time, plus # of tournies run in the low buyins are low and first place is smaller, sngs are so much more uniform

may do this regardless, whats the timeframe to complete looking like, with school and work it may be hard to do this in say a month.

if there is an MTT bracket ill be tempted to do it, what stakes? im thinking sngs would be more fair bc if you happen to luckbox say a 1r on stars on a sunday there is no way in hell a USA player on merge can catch that in a reasonable amount of time, plus # of tournies run in the low buyins are low and first place is smaller, sngs are so much more uniform

agreed... plus the time it would take to do a reasonable sample for a good confidence interval on MTT ROI would be too long...

Maybe just STTs for tourney players or even 18-180mans for MTT would be good.. ideas?