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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:18:12

I cannot believe you would agree /w building the pot oop vs a guy is thinking/laggy player/pro as you've descried with a draw. This hand is quite atrocious and does not deserve to be played any other way than calling twice the way the board played out. First, it is quite amazing that SB folded to your bet on the riv, this will happen quite rarely. Second, a good thinking player is not going to fire hands like A10o on the turn and yet you gave him all of these weird A high hands that he is all of a sudden just going to try and barrel through two people in a large pot on the turn. Finally, and this is the most important point, your equity in this spot is really low and you are killing your implied odds by CR turn. If you simply call on the turn, you get two CR TWO people on the river when a J comes. Please do not advocate building a pot with 30-35% equity on the turn oop, it is wrong.

Time Link to 00:36:56

I believe A2o-A5o should be a fold here... you simply do not have enough equity on the flop to continue. You also need to have some sort of folding range on the flop when villian CR's. I believe folding weak Qx that is below 6 all the way through A5o should be right.

Time Link to 00:46:29

To me it seems that the villian views hero as a person who could raise here with a fd and looking to take a free card or a hero that would raise again with 2 pair or better hands. In other words, villian might be viewing as a raising monkey, which is possible due to how hero has been playing the last few hands.

Time Link to 00:50:05

you just said this person is extremely passive and does not put any action unless he has two pair or better. My guess would be that he limped with a weak Ax that just made two pair sounds about right, to me. He could also just be donking with made Aces that is afraid of CR turn but also does not want to lose value. Fold turn and feel happy about it.

Time Link to 00:09:03

I really dislike a raise here against any sort of thinking player. What hand, exactly are we representing when we c/r the turn here? a straight? Well we've already said that we're c/r all oesd on the flop so T8 is out of the question. I'd guess we have a very easy fold with 66, we don't open any 85s type hands from the HJ, and on the flop and we're going to c/r all TP+ hands in our range. This is exactly the kind of spot where, if I'm the button, I'd never fold any showdownable hand that I bet on the turn, which, as you guys pointed out accurately, includes every showdownable hand in my range. In fact, if I'm the button, I'm certainly considering 3betting every single hand that I bet the turn with either for extra value, a free showdown, or as a semibluff intending to barrel the river.

That's not to say this play will never work, but you need to read your own hand here and realize your c/r range on the turn is basically all semibluffs and misplayed hands imo.

Time Link to 00:22:20

I think what you're trying to say here, Chris, is that your betting frequency should be related to how well the board texture connects with your range vs your opponents ranges as opposed to how well it connects with your hand. I think this is correct.

Time Link to 00:25:28

Another important consideration is that you need some part of your range that you will fold when the spade comes on the river. As DD said, you're getting to showdown with 77-QQ very comfortably, comfortably enough to call spade rivers, and you aren't opening 55- from early position (at least I'm not), so we need to have some hand that we can make a decision with depending on the exact nature of the river card.

you just said this person is extremely passive and does not put any action unless he has two pair or better. My guess would be that he limped with a weak Ax that just made two pair sounds about right, to me. He could also just be donking with made Aces that is afraid of CR turn but also does not want to lose value. Fold turn and feel happy about it.

Totally agreed.

Time Link to 00:53:05

So basically we've seen a bunch of hands where we've taken hands with some semblance of showdown value (whether they are showdownable or not) and turned them into bluffs. This one seems especially bad to me. We have an opponent who we've described as "extremely loose passive" who is betting when what he must see as the worst card in the deck for his hand vs. our range comes on the turn. Obviously he's not thinking of it that way, but he does not think the ace is a good card for him. Not only that but we just have nothing, the pot is relatively small, our equity is super terrible and I don't think we get a player of this description to fold a pair often at all.

It all adds up to a significantly losing play in my opinion.

I think I was not harsh enough in my disagreement about the play of the first hand, and OTR's post sort of sums up the problem in the hand

I believe A2o-A5o should be a fold here... you simply do not have enough equity on the flop to continue. You also need to have some sort of folding range on the flop when villian CR's. I believe folding weak Qx that is below 6 all the way through A5o should be right.

I think this depends on how predictable villain is. vs a tough player I definitely agree with you that we can't just call down these weak Ax hands vs a somewhat balanced range that he will likely have, but vs bad players we can make very good turn/river decisions if we know their tendencies I would say

To me it seems that the villian views hero as a person who could raise here with a fd and looking to take a free card or a hero that would raise again with 2 pair or better hands. In other words, villian might be viewing as a raising monkey, which is possible due to how hero has been playing the last few hands.

I think this is a good point, and Doug should consider what his image is to some of his reg opponents a bit more. I would not be surprised if they thought of him as over aggro postflop, either because he actually is, or because most people are kinda passive and so aggressive players stand out anyway

Just want to say a general comment that both Doug and I felt this video was a tough one, mostly the hands seemed to be difficult spots and hard to make a ton of nice happy general conclusions about. We have recorded EPs 2 and 3 at the time of me writing this and I feel they have gotten stronger and stronger, so stick with us and see if you agree

I enjoyed the video a great deal and found lots of interesting angles even if I didn't agree with the play of the hands always.