Hielko
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Table4 JJ
No bet on the flop when the PFR checks? Surely he'd cbet Qx or better, so it would appear you have the best hand. When you check the JJ, you give the player behind you the green light to start barreling. Are you planning to check-call multiple streets if the board comes blank?
It's not a great spot to be in when villain behinds me starts barreling, but if I would just bet all the time in this spot when the initial preflop raiser checks I also open myself up to getting floated/bluff raised. And if you do get called, you'll be in an equally though spot on the turn. So when I have something with showdown value that isn't extremely vulnerable I think it makes sense to check it.
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Hielko
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Why are you so reluctant to play small suited connectors in position?
I might sometimes be a bit too nitty with them, but this spot here is imo actually a clear fold. We have a very tight/nitty regular opening in MP. His range is going to be strong postflop. So on a basic level, a small connector is a nice hand to play because you can make monsters and crack his premiums.
The problem is that you are not going to flop those hands. You are going to flop gutshots, straightdraws, flushdraws, second pair type of hands with backdoors. And what is your plan with these types of hands against someone with a strong range? Bluff raising; probably not attractive. Floating? Also not really if his range is strong. So that leaves you with calling down postflop, trying to hit, and hoping that he is going to pay you off after you hit... and especially when you hit the flushdraw, it's questionable if you are going to get that much action. Playing suited connectors is way better against weaker ranges where plays like floating, bluff raising, bluff catching are all better options.
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Hielko
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What's your plan if villain 4bets to 45€ being 175bb's deep?
Probably fold, he's a fish and I would expect a 4bet to be super strong. But you never know what sizing and timing a fish is going to use, so don't have this plan set in stone.
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fifilein
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not sure i am fan of value betting KJ here. i tend to bet river super thin vs fish, but i shoving here is -EV imo.
yes, he could call us with AT (well, he will call us AT), but basically all kings in his range beat us and there are a bazillion combinations of other 2pairs in his range.
i really have a problem coming up with more than AT and QT which would call us and we beat. maybe the occasional A9 or K2-K5.
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shades
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@ fifilein - i played around with pokerstove on that spot , i found its fine to value bet there , thin but +EV if when we expect him to raise his 2pair + on the flop or turn.
Thanks for the video Hielko , good to see a reg just grinding as they would everyday
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Hielko
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@fifilein; I certainly agree that it's a thin bet, but you have to consider that even when we have less than 50% equity against his calling range it can be a good bet. If we check we will presumably not always win the hand if we have the best hand, and never folding the best hands also add a bit to our ev here.
@shades; good to hear that you liked it 
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sohaaron
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It's not a great spot to be in when villain behinds me starts barreling, but if I would just bet all the time in this spot when the initial preflop raiser checks I also open myself up to getting floated/bluff raised. And if you do get called, you'll be in an equally though spot on the turn. So when I have something with showdown value that isn't extremely vulnerable I think it makes sense to check it.
Thanks !
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I might sometimes be a bit too nitty with them, but this spot here is imo actually a clear fold. We have a very tight/nitty regular opening in MP. His range is going to be strong postflop. So on a basic level, a small connector is a nice hand to play because you can make monsters and crack his premiums.
The problem is that you are not going to flop those hands. You are going to flop gutshots, straightdraws, flushdraws, second pair type of hands with backdoors. And what is your plan with these types of hands against someone with a strong range? Bluff raising; probably not attractive. Floating? Also not really if his range is strong. So that leaves you with calling down postflop, trying to hit, and hoping that he is going to pay you off after you hit... and especially when you hit the flushdraw, it's questionable if you are going to get that much action. Playing suited connectors is way better against weaker ranges where plays like floating, bluff raising, bluff catching are all better options.
I get what you're saying, but we need to have a flatting range here and I'm guessing your not going to be a fan of having broadways in it that are easily dominated, so that really leaves the majority of our range as pocket pairs which we're set mining with if you exclude s/c type hands. The problem arises when villain realises that our flop raising range against him is almost entirely comprised of sets and means he can fold his overpairs and be happy about it. Don't we need a bluff-raising/continuing range against him and consequently have to have hands that flop good equity against overpairs in our pre-flop range? Or are you not worried about balance and exploitability against tight players that are playing abc?
Also, it's pretty funny how I read all of your posts in your accent. 
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I get what you're saying, but we need to have a flatting range here and I'm guessing your not going to be a fan of having broadways in it that are easily dominated, so that really leaves the majority of our range as pocket pairs which we're set mining with if you exclude s/c type hands. The problem arises when villain realises that our flop raising range against him is almost entirely comprised of sets and means he can fold his overpairs and be happy about it. Don't we need a bluff-raising/continuing range against him and consequently have to have hands that flop good equity against overpairs in our pre-flop range? Or are you not worried about balance and exploitability against tight players that are playing abc?
Mostly not really worried about balance, when you notice villain folds a lot postflop and you don't get value with sets; adjust.
Also, it's pretty funny how I read all of your posts in your accent. 
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