Buby2132
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Have you noticed the SPR on the turn? An Overbet is here imo the only reasonable betsize - betting here 3/4-quarters or potsize is kinda fishy.
The only alternative would be imo to bet here kinda small (~half PS) to have ~effectively half PS left for a possible riverplay.
But being OOP 3-way, i would for sure prefer here to slightly overjam my whole range on the turh should I decide to bet. Any thinking player should notice that in this spot the overbet is not a "real" overbet in terms that you would be as well able to choose another reasonable betsizeamount....
So I would not weight here too much into the overbet.
Just to point out, i would not pot bet here with my fds. lol. I was just using that as a hypothetical situation. I cant put together a range of hands id pot bet here. Its a spot where i am just not shipping the turn that often with any part of my range.
Im not sure how i would play my sets on the turn, shipping seems so strong and (As hielko pointed out) i expect loads of folds on the turn to a jam, that makes me more inclined to bet smaller. But that gives both players a good price on a call with draws...
Hielko, how would you play the turn here with your sets?
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Hielko
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Hielko, how would you play the turn here with your sets?
Shove, and yes; would expect to get a lot of folds, but don't see a better option. If we check or bet small we only give the guy with a flush draw the right price to hit his hand, and even though we wouldn't pay him off if he hits; no reason to let him realize his pot equity share for no good reason. And of course sometimes you will get called here by worse if you shove (it's also not like the bluff here is guaranteed to work).
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Buby2132
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Shove, and yes; would expect to get a lot of folds, but don't see a better option. If we check or bet small we only give the guy with a flush draw the right price to hit his hand, and even though we wouldn't pay him off if he hits; no reason to let him realize his pot equity share for no good reason. And of course sometimes you will get called here by worse if you shove (it's also not like the bluff here is guaranteed to work).
Ah ok, that is very interesting. Gives me some fuel for thought.
Thanks for the discussion. 
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Buby2132
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Oh, fwiw, i didnt actually look at villains stacksize...i just presumed you bet $244 into $115 which is obviously a large overbet. Villains only have $160 left, so totally ignore everything i brought up. 
Overbet seems fine now, nothing to report.
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Finnisher
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Prologion
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Isn`t here cold4betting with the intention of getting it in w AQo kinda overplayed?
Even when the SB would have an overall 3bet_stat of 10%, then he likely has not such a high 3betstat in SBvsUTG.
In addition to that a coldbet looks with these positions imo so strong, that I think you will even not have the odds to call a 5betjam off b/c imo the 5betjam will be here superstrong, what is of course different with later positions vs the right opponents (for example in CovsBTNvsSB/BB).
If anything, then maybe you can coldbluff4bet here w AQo, depending on how much UTG is opening and folding to 3bets/4bets and how much SB is 3betting in SBvsUTG.
But 4bet/C seems at least for ne somewhat overplayed here tbh.
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Hielko
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4bet/folding is certainly also a viable option, but think we certainly should be more inclined than normal to go for thinner value here since villain should be more suspicous if we cold 4bet him directly at the first opportunity.
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Hielko
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Nice min-serie.
Maybe in future we will see some of Your action on Ipoker & Ongame & Party ? Would be interesting to compare differences at SSNL between networks, Euro Tour- style.
Thanks, but don't directly expect to see me making vids on other sites. Like to keep some of my SN's private, and play mostly on Stars anyway because of the software.
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Prologion
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thx for answering to the previous question - here I would have a question to the K8s-hand.
I for sure get the flopcheck b/c of your stated reasoning.
Once Villain is missing his stab - do you think that you could have made a delayed cbet?
Maybe he has given you some credit for not cbetting an Ace-high-Board and have checked back his air on the flop + he also might fold a pair <J.
If we would make a delay cbet, I also would wonder if we could following through on the river on a blank to rep a hand like a weak Axs-hand or JJ in order to make his likely potcontroled holding or a spiked jack to fold?
Not sure about that...
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Hielko
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Since that's a move you can't do every single time you are in a spot like this, probably best to do it when you actually have some equity. Having some kind of back door flush draw here would be nice. Don't think betting the river would be great, the flush draw misses. If you checked a weak ace on the flop it would be a pretty thin valuebet after the J also pairs on the river. Villains most likely calling hands on the turn would be the ace, the jack or a draw. Can't really vbet against that range with a weak ace.
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sohaaron
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Table4 JJ
No bet on the flop when the PFR checks? Surely he'd cbet Qx or better, so it would appear you have the best hand. When you check the JJ, you give the player behind you the green light to start barreling. Are you planning to check-call multiple streets if the board comes blank?
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