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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by blah234 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Okay, that makes good sense. This might be a spot where I'm to tight against unknowns. I'll try working a little with this.

Thanks

Time Link to 00:15:32

When u say that he is not value betting thin enough, do u believe that onde the board paired, wouldnt he be value cutting himself if he bet there? I mean he has a strong made hand but if he bets, what worst will call him ?

When u say that he is not value betting thin enough, do u believe that onde the board paired, wouldnt he be value cutting himself if he bet there? I mean he has a strong made hand but if he bets, what worst will call him ?

Once I check my range is capped without a flush so his flush is the nuts.

Time Link to 00:53:28

I really like this series also, a lot of very interesting comments and well explained thougts!

Here on table 3, what is your plan OTR when are your draws miss? I guess we will barrel again most of the time. How much do you plan to be OTR when you miss? Any overbet?

I really like this series also, a lot of very interesting comments and well explained thougts!

Here on table 3, what is your plan OTR when are your draws miss? I guess we will barrel again most of the time. How much do you plan to be OTR when you miss? Any overbet?

I don't usually overbet in spots where I polarized range and have a bluff. We will barrel sometimes and not always based on what range of hands both players see the river with.

I generally only use overbets to exploit capped ranges otherwise overbet is just a normal bet where we can easily calculate the EV of the bet. Overbet bluffs will work more often since so we can have a higher bluffing frequency but it doesn't change the EV of the play since it's more expensive hence needs to work more often as well.

Time Link to 00:34:55

You said that, now when the Q came, we were trying to get value from K9-KQ, but we are behind K9 and KT also before the nasty Q-river?

Thx..

You said that, now when the Q came, we were trying to get value from K9-KQ, but we are behind K9 and KT also before the nasty Q-river?

Thx..

I never said we get value from anything specifically. Might of mention we can get called by KJ KQ as examples of Kx hands. anyways getting value from a portion of someone's range is a flawed thought process. There are way more combos of Kx hands than boats, we don't need to be ahead of every hand in villain's range, just need over 50% equity vs his range.

I never said we get value from anything specifically. Might of mention we can get called by KJ KQ as examples of Kx hands. anyways getting value from a portion of someone's range is a flawed thought process. There are way more combos of Kx hands than boats, we don't need to be ahead of every hand in villain's range, just need over 50% equity vs his range.

more that 50% equity vs. Villians calling range right?

more that 50% equity vs. Villians calling range right?

yes. Obv we don't care about equity vs the range of hands villain folded.

Time Link to 01:03:45

I disagree about the comment that he doesn't need a 4bet bluffing range, shouldn't have one, or whatever

If he wants to get value from his hands UTG despite playing nitty he has to be capable of bluffing some small percentage of the time or else people wouldn't pay him off .... especially in early positions. Once they see a bluff in that spot it increases his profitability just like when a LAG shows down a strong hand, people will give him more credit and fold more (or rebluff less often). Yes, he has a lot of value hands in his range so at first it seems weird that he's folding, but there are still a decent amount that open UTG that aren't capable of 4bet/calling nor are they profitable to flat 3bets OOP with. At the same time he's going to get so much credit with his 4bets that its probably very profitable for him to 'bluff' with hands he can't continue with otherwise. AJ would probably be a good candidate, but there are definitely others depending on the opponent. I just think its a smart strategy to actually have the occasional 4bet bluff in your range when you're that tight... you have to take advantage of your image somehow, whether you are TAG or LAG.

I disagree about the comment that he doesn't need a 4bet bluffing range, shouldn't have one, or whatever

If he wants to get value from his hands UTG despite playing nitty he has to be capable of bluffing some small percentage of the time or else people wouldn't pay him off .... especially in early positions. Once they see a bluff in that spot it increases his profitability just like when a LAG shows down a strong hand, people will give him more credit and fold more (or rebluff less often). Yes, he has a lot of value hands in his range so at first it seems weird that he's folding, but there are still a decent amount that open UTG that aren't capable of 4bet/calling nor are they profitable to flat 3bets OOP with. At the same time he's going to get so much credit with his 4bets that its probably very profitable for him to 'bluff' with hands he can't continue with otherwise. AJ would probably be a good candidate, but there are definitely others depending on the opponent. I just think its a smart strategy to actually have the occasional 4bet bluff in your range when you're that tight... you have to take advantage of your image somehow, whether you are TAG or LAG.

Make no sense. 4bet bluffing is either +EV or it's not. So we should either do it decent amount or 0. If 4bet bluffing is -EV because villain doesn't fold enough then doing it 1/10000000000000 is still -EV so makes your range more -EV. UTG doesn't need a 4 bet bluffing range to protect a wide opening range because it's not that +EV to open lost of hands. Bottom of that range will be -EV if facing lots of 3 bets. 4 bet bluffing will not make that range more +EV unless villain has poorly constructed ranges.

Make no sense. 4bet bluffing is either +EV or it's not. So we should either do it decent amount or 0. If 4bet bluffing is -EV because villain doesn't fold enough then doing it 1/10000000000000 is still -EV so makes your range more -EV. UTG doesn't need a 4 bet bluffing range to protect a wide opening range because it's not that +EV to open lost of hands. Bottom of that range will be -EV if facing lots of 3 bets. 4 bet bluffing wll not make that range more +EV unless villain has poorly constructed ranges.

First of all, who said we were talking about -EV opens? We're not "protecting a wide range" here. What I am TRYING to say is that he has hands that are +EV opens but once he gets 3bet he cant *flat* OOP profitably (even a 13% opening range has hands that can't flat a 3bet OOP... its just too hard to deal with). His options are then to 4bet or fold. My argument is that in these cases it is sometimes better choice for him to turn his hand into a 4bet bluff because his image makes it better than all his other options. As I said in the first post, AJ is a good example of such a hand...... its profitable to open UTG, but may not be profitable to flat OOP vs a 3bet, and we certainly can't 4bet/call it off, so we're down to just 4bet bluffing and fold. Under the right circumstances it could be a good spot to 4bet/fold because of his image and outside factors like how his opponent is playing (here he gets 3bet by a guy with a 15% 3bet), plus AJ has good blocker potential. In the video you essentially say that shipindollas should never be doing this which is what I disagree with.

But there is more to it than that which I was suggesting in my post. Let's just say for arguments sake that him 4bet bluffing here is actually -EV for this particular hand (in a vacuum or w/e). That does not mean that it is -EV overall in terms of his general strategy. It could in fact improve his profitability overall (usually because it appears to be a -EV play), making it +EV in the long run.... this is why its hard to ever really know the true EV of a decision. The most obvious example is playing a hand like 72 in a pot just to show your opponents a big bluff....... either you tilt them, change your image, or whatever... it makes them play worse against you, so +EV for you. So my point is that he still should consider it some nonzero percentage of the time even if its not a great option for this particular hand because of the impact it could have on his EV in the future. I mean, that's all assuming his 4bet fold here has a big impression on his opponents.... but it did seem to have one on you at least.

First of all, who said we were talking about -EV opens? We're not "protecting a wide range" here. What I am TRYING to say is that he has hands that are +EV opens but once he gets 3bet he cant *flat* OOP profitably (even a 13% opening range has hands that can't flat a 3bet OOP... its just too hard to deal with). His options are then to 4bet or fold. My argument is that in these cases it is sometimes better choice for him to turn his hand into a 4bet bluff because his image makes it better than all his other options. As I said in the first post, AJ is a good example of such a hand...... its profitable to open UTG, but may not be profitable to flat OOP vs a 3bet, and we certainly can't 4bet/call it off, so we're down to just 4bet bluffing and fold. Under the right circumstances it could be a good spot to 4bet/fold because of his image and outside factors like how his opponent is playing (here he gets 3bet by a guy with a 15% 3bet), plus AJ has good blocker potential. In the video you essentially say that shipindollas should never be doing this which is what I disagree with.

But there is more to it than that which I was suggesting in my post. Let's just say for arguments sake that him 4bet bluffing here is actually -EV for this particular hand (in a vacuum or w/e). That does not mean that it is -EV overall in terms of his general strategy. It could in fact improve his profitability overall (usually because it appears to be a -EV play), making it +EV in the long run.... this is why its hard to ever really know the true EV of a decision. The most obvious example is playing a hand like 72 in a pot just to show your opponents a big bluff....... either you tilt them, change your image, or whatever... it makes them play worse against you, so +EV for you. So my point is that he still should consider it some nonzero percentage of the time even if its not a great option for this particular hand because of the impact it could have on his EV in the future. I mean, that's all assuming his 4bet fold here has a big impression on his opponents.... but it did seem to have one on you at least.

Is villain 3-betting you so much with the intend to exploit your UTG open? If the answer is no, then what's the point of 4-bet bluffing. Why was 3-bet bluff invented in the first place? it was to counter wide LP openers because in theory their hand range is weak and should have to fold often. To counter wide 3 bettors the 4-bet bluff was invented because in theory the guy 3-betting wide should have a lot of trash he can't continue with in his range. What's the next step in the evolution? People start 5-bet jamming more hands vs aggro 4-bettors.

So before you think about 4-bet bluffing, ask yourself is the guy 3-betting you a ton to exploit your UTG range. If the answer is no, then just fold all your non stack-off range, and move on. I think fighting back too much is a common mistake among most SSNL reg. If you open 13% from UTG, you need to be defending ~30% to not get mathematically exploited. So that's a range of 99+, AQs, AK. But if the guy is not trying to exploit you and just playing his range like most people do at SSNL, there is really no reason to play anything but your premiums from UTG vs 3b.

You ask how you get paid playing so tight? Your image is villain's perception of your looseness and aggression. There are much better ways of changing that perception then by lighting money on fire 4b bluffing a guy who is not actively trying to exploit you. Be the guy that picks fights with other people. If someone folds too often to 3b (most do), 3b them with atc. One of 3 things happens, a) villain doesn't adjust, which is your license to print money or b) villain over adjust and spew uncontrollably or c) villain adjusts his range correctly to counter your aggression. From my experience playing up to 200NL, a/b happens wayyyyyyyyyyy more often then c. Vs people that don't adjust to aggression, you're never gonna get paid. But to most internet heroes your aggression threatens their manhood and they are going to show you who is boss, and that translates to far beyond the standard battle spots. Sure you can 'build your image' by 4bet bluffing -EV spots, but you can do it much cheaper by opening a ton and 3betting a ton of +EV or neutral EV spots.

There's no reason to make -EV plays no matter what it will reduce the EV of our overall range.

Time Link to 00:05:59

What do we do if he c/r here? if he check jams? if he c/r a standard amount or if he clicks it back?