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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Deepsquat (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:20:21

While this is true about information hiding, is it really worth the 2 sb/possibly 4 if UTG caps?

Time Link to 00:31:11

I fold the flop on the left all day, dont really see any reason to continue unless i know opponent will have random K3 and be 3barreling which means im just autocalling down every turn and river combo. Which doesnt happen too often

Time Link to 00:33:20

Do we really need to peel TT7 with JQ with backdoor flush vs utg? Dont really see myself having too many straight peels on these boards vs utg, so often will we be dominated. Also its kinda fps to cc cr trips on paired boards, i think.

Ty for your deteailed response above which made sense.

In this QJ hand you provide another example of not c-betting the flop after raising pf. However, now you are out of position and check call the flop in a wide range blind battle.

As before, you explain that you need to include some hands in your flop checking (& calling) range, which would be strong enough to (check) raise the turn for balance to prevent your opponent from easily value betting you on the turn.

This may seem obvious, but I just wanted to check my reasoning. Am I correct to think that you would not consider check raising the flop with a good hand for the same reason because this would not balance your flop c/c range ?

In that attempting to check raise the flop would be a different action to check calling and simply create a flop c/r range, which would be unlikely to benefit you as the pf raiser ?

This hand was a reasoably extreme example. Q high is prob the toughest hand to categorise into either a bluff or a bluff catcher, its somewhat opponenet dependant. So what i mean is we may value from betting it to fold some weak Kx hands on flop or usually turn or it may fit well into a bluff catcher to c/c etc.

I still cant make up my mind on what i like with this hand on this flop. I do know that blindly cbetting this flop is probably bad, especially if we cant find a fold later in the hand,

This board texture in particular is another one that will hit BB more than us in general, particularly if he has a 3betting strategy from the BB so we will probably not be able to cbet 100% of our range profitably in many cases

To answer your question, your summary is correct.

Nearly always i will cr the flop with my good hands that i decide to check with. Furthermore I am prob cbetting them 80% anyway. But occasionally we do want a hand that can go c/c, c/r without improvement on the turn so that whenever we do check and call the flop, we arent always weak and therefore balanced.

The frequency at which we kr should be no where near as high as we cbet and also the freqeuncy at which we c/c, c/r with good hands should be even less. Just so opponent has in his mind that we are capable of having strength so he cant just barrel us blindly on the turn after we c/c flop

I didnt quite understand the last sentence that you wrote, sorry can you ask it again. Im a bit slow this morning

While this is true about information hiding, is it really worth the 2 sb/possibly 4 if UTG caps?

Hey buddy, thanks for watching.

Its definately something i oscillate back and forth on with the fish in the middle and im not 100% sold either way. I do feel that we can make up the extra action postflop usually though seeing as we can cr field.

Of course on the occasions where we cooler UTG with say AA and he has KK and we 3b pre, he caps we miss out cos we get to cr field there but rare.

What range would you 3b in this spot just out of interest, i havent really done it for a while and what would be a c/c range? roughly

Im not sure how to quantify (or if u can) the benefits of info hiding in this spot, but i do think it allows us to play some extra hands with the ability to bluff/semi bluff more with credit postflop seeing as we can show up with anything.

Vs two morons, i think we can just 3bet but with the example of a reg being UTG i think just calling can be good.

But like i said, im not 100% sold in this particular spot dure to the SB

I fold the flop on the left all day, dont really see any reason to continue unless i know opponent will have random K3 and be 3barreling which means im just autocalling down every turn and river combo. Which doesnt happen too often

Is this the T3s hand?

I think calling is prob the worst but with the pf opener checking and random fish decide to take a stab i think we can continue with a raise. Do you think its too thin? What the worst hand you continue with?

Hey buddy, thanks for watching.

Its definately something i oscillate back and forth on with the fish in the middle and im not 100% sold either way. I do feel that we can make up the extra action postflop usually though seeing as we can cr field.

Of course on the occasions where we cooler UTG with say AA and he has KK and we 3b pre, he caps we miss out cos we get to cr field there but rare.

What range would you 3b in this spot just out of interest, i havent really done it for a while and what would be a c/c range? roughly

Im not sure how to quantify (or if u can) the benefits of info hiding in this spot, but i do think it allows us to play some extra hands with the ability to bluff/semi bluff more with credit postflop seeing as we can show up with anything.

Vs two morons, i think we can just 3bet but with the example of a reg being UTG i think just calling can be good.

But like i said, im not 100% sold in this particular spot dure to the SB

I think the UTG player will cap alot more than you think given that the fish in in the middle, and you get those 2 sb directly. Also, the fish might just fold the flop when bet into, which would be bad for your plan. As for ranges id 3bet with i`d stay TT+, AJs maybe, AQo+ def, depending on UTG i might even throw in KQs sometimes along with 99. Think i`d have a really wide playing range in this spot, since the fish provides such a nice overlay and we have perfect relative position. Im not saying 100% that your approach is a mistake, i just dont think people are adjusting as much as you like them to be for this to work as good as the immediate value. I can totally see this beeing good at 30-60+, but then again you dont have that many coldcallers in those games from "good" players

Is this the T3s hand?

I think calling is prob the worst but with the pf opener checking and random fish decide to take a stab i think we can continue with a raise. Do you think its too thin? What the worst hand you continue with?

Seems i might have gotten it messed up a little. I think you were talking about reasons for cc-cr the KT on the right and arguing that the reason you liked it is because you want to balance for the times when you have JQ one club on the TT7 two club flops vs utg. And i dont think i would be peeling there too much at all, and theres plenty hands i would fastplay on that board.

The 103s on the left i think is ok,you can cr or cc it doesnt make much of a difference to me. Really depends on how the button plays the river, because you can count on him betting the turn almost always.

Oh yeah, that makes sense mate, wasnt sure what hand u meant

The KT hand is interesting. I still havent made up my mind as im still experimenting with this kind of play (at the time of the video i had done it only once) Im absolutely positive the theory on dryer boards is correct with a big part of our range, say A72r or something with a hand like AA is definately correct to slowplay till turn against almost all villains, i have no doubt about that.

On the TT7r board is probably as close as we get to misapplying this style on my part because obviously the drawier the board, the more combos we can raise for value as we will have more semi-bluffs + the obvious reason that he still has all his AA/QQ/JJ and some KK combos to play back at us which wont be the case on dryer boards

Yeah im with you that we need to slowplay more on dryer boards vs ep raises when were not 3betting out of the bb, but im thinking more on those kind of boards that villain will almost always 2barrel and wont be so sticky on. I mean, if a good player checkraises me on TT7 with two clubs im gonna show down alot more with A high than should he checkraise me on K82 rainbow. Also those kinds of boards we should/could have more "pure peels" than on TT7. Ofcourse you have to be careful not to slowplay those spots every time, or villain will pick up on it and check behind some stuff that usually would get bet.

I didnt quite understand the last sentence that you wrote, sorry can you ask it again. Im a bit slow this morning

Thankyou, I think you did answer my question.

If I understand correctly, in this video you discussed times when you might not automatically c-bet the flop after raising pf, whether in position or not.

Your requirement for checking the flop was to have a hand that was good enough to raise the turn unimproved, to balance the times that you might like to check the flop with a weaker hand.

My last question was asking whether you could achieve a similar effect (when out of position) by c/r the flop ?

I think that your answer was yes, as you said that you would usually c/r the flop with good hands that you decided to check with.

I hope that this is clearer, as my question was probably somewhat confused before.

Thankyou, I think you did answer my question.

If I understand correctly, in this video you discussed times when you might not automatically c-bet the flop after raising pf, whether in position or not.

Your requirement for checking the flop was to have a hand that was good enough to raise the turn unimproved, to balance the times that you might like to check the flop with a weaker hand.

My last question was asking whether you could achieve a similar effect (when out of position) by c/r the flop ?

I think that your answer was yes, as you said that you would usually c/r the flop with good hands that you decided to check with.

I hope that this is clearer, as my question was probably somewhat confused before.

Just to clarify, the requirement for a hand to not cbet the flop should be obviously be balanced, meaning hands we can c/c, cr and cf. If we do too much of one, then we can be exploited.

So if the only time we ever check is to c/c, then villain can vtown us hard knowing we are weak

If we only check to cr, then villain can chk back everything except his strongest range and we lose value.

Want i meant to say in the video is we do occasionally want to have a hand that is capable of cr the turn UI. So for instance AsAd on 765ccc is actually a pretty good hand to c/c, cr on a brick turn.
Most of the time we should prob bet it, but maybe 1/5 times we can c/c, cr vs an astute and aggressive reg opponent.

Simply because imo we should prob be c/c this flop with alot of our range

If we only ever c/c with bluff catchers, we get exploited. Does that make sense?

Some of the best players in the world cbet 100% simply because ranges are wide, but like i mentioned earlier, if opponent just calls our open pf, there are certain flop textures that will generally favour him more than us and he can show aggression accordingly and there isnt a whole lot we can do

This board texture in particular is another one that will hit BB more than us in general, particularly if he has a 3betting strategy from the BB so we will probably not be able to cbet 100% of our range profitably in many cases

Interestingly, if you pit 70% SB open and 80% BB defence ranges against each other on this flop, they're 50-50 (both on the flop and by river). If BB has a 20% 3! range, SB's range is now actually ahead on this flop (against the 80%-top20% range).

Obv the actual hand is a dog to villains range.

Time Link to 00:49:01

I'm a bit surprised with the raise, unless you're planning to bluff someone with a better hand out of the pot.

If you're able to make this HU with the UTG capper with the flop raise, you're still most likely behind any reasonable capping range. If SB tags along, you're very likely crushed.

Playing aggro in large mw pots with any piece is the norm but does it really make sense when you're very likely drawing to a 5 outer?

Time Link to 00:31:11
I fold the flop on the left all day, dont really see any reason to continue unless i know opponent will have random K3 and be 3barreling which means im just autocalling down every turn and river combo. Which doesnt happen too often

Did you mean the A3 hand that happened just before your time link? http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/11991-Episode-One?seek=1833
I fold that on the flop too unless I really know villain is only donking draws and air here, and even then hero is not in a great shape when at the bottom of his range.