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you guys should check out chris langan's CTMU, if you can read it.

cognitive-theoretic model of the universe

background on langan, the man with the highest IQ on record

I started watching the first part of the video about Langan and his binary proof of God.

In the first few minutes something immediately stuck out at me.

hes says "I work in a bar".

Now there is nothing wrong with working in a bar.

But in this day and age, with the internet and communication as it is now there must be literally hundreds of thousands of people who know of Langan and what he is working on.

If he works in a bar, that means he cant get funding. If he cant get funding, that must mean that some pretty smart people have looked at what he is doing and shrugged it off as nonsense.

That in itself isnt proof that he is flogging a dead horse, but if he is as close as he claims to finishing.. why is there noone interested in funding him? A mathematical proof of God.. how much are the US far Christian Right spending on funding creationism? The money is there so why isnt he getting funding?

because he isn't an academic. he talks about academia in the videos and his distaste for the entire institution. plus the vids are older, before people knew who he was. i'm pretty sure he lives on a ranch somewhere in the midwest now with his uber-intelligent wife.

because he isn't an academic. he talks about academia in the videos and his distaste for the entire institution. plus the vids are older, before people knew who he was. i'm pretty sure he lives on a ranch somewhere in the midwest now with his uber-intelligent wife.

Maybe.

Im not even saying he isn't uber intelligent, just that in this day and age its odd that he isnt getting funding yet is working on something.

Maybe he should put up a loan request on Kiva.

I never understood why it is so interesting to strive for completeness. It seems logical to me that since we are a part of the universe we can't expect to be able to develop a complete description. All we can hope to do is to learn as much as possible.

Regarding CTMU: The main problem is that it does not really change anything. No new results. It does not change math. It provides one explanation - but there does not seem to be a way to verify it. Philosophy is fun

Regarding Langan: He is very smart and I was surprised to learn that he found the language part easier than the rest of the test.

The thing about Langan is he claims that the CTMU is a mathematical proof, but many scientists and mathematicians who have read it say there is very little if any math in it at all.

Also his theory has not been well received, and the only journal that would publish it was--you guessed it--an intelligent design journal.

That combined with the fact that he obviously has a very bad attitude and we can see why he's not known for reasons beyond having the highest score on some IQ test (which, the rumour is, he took 3 separate times under pseudonyms).

The thing about Langan is he claims that the CTMU is a mathematical proof, but many scientists and mathematicians who have read it say there is very little if any math in it at all.

Also his theory has not been well received, and the only journal that would publish it was--you guessed it--an intelligent design journal.

That combined with the fact that he obviously has a very bad attitude and we can see why he's not known for reasons beyond having the highest score on some IQ test (which, the rumour is, he took 3 separate times under pseudonyms).

You are so harsh

You are so harsh

I watched that video and I think he's an asshole lol

'A benign form of eugenics,' like really!?...guy's a dick.

He's smart though ok let's put him in charge of everything..ahem...Heil Langan!.

i just think he's fascinating, i didn't mean to give the dude an endorsement per se.

The thing about Langan is he claims that the CTMU is a mathematical proof, but many scientists and mathematicians who have read it say there is very little if any math in it at all.

I had a feeling this was going to be the case when I saw he wasnt getting funding.

If I follow the logic correctly, I think it goes like this?

Langan = dick
Tuba = #1 fan of Langan
Therefore, Tuba = dick.

Can someone check my work?

If I follow the logic correctly, I think it goes like this?

Langan = dick
Tuba = #1 fan of Langan
Therefore, Tuba = dick.

Can someone check my work?

And because, as we know, for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction, Techmo must be a huge vagina.

Trying to prove the existence of god seems like such waste of time. Imo, there's nothing more absurd than a mathematical proof of god, and I don't follow the need for Reason to be satisfied in order for Faith to be. Especially since faith is essentially simple.

Lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdq577iClbU

Trying to prove the existence of god seems like such waste of time. Imo, there's nothing more absurd than a mathematical proof of god..

(6 x 2) + 5 = 17 ... which means there must be a god

I think that's why these mathematical proof of God are so insanely complex, because if they were simple someone is going stop and think, what the hell does adding up a bunch of numbers have to do with the existence of God?

He may exist, he may not, but there is no sum in the world that can tell me the colour of someone's socks, so why should there be a sum that shows the existence of god?

Trying to prove the existence of god seems like such waste of time. Imo, there's nothing more absurd than a mathematical proof of god, and I don't follow the need for Reason to be satisfied in order for Faith to be. Especially since faith is essentially simple.

Au contraire mon ami. As long as people use religious arguments we must continue the search.

(6 x 2) + 5 = 17 ... which means there must be a god

I think that's why these mathematical proof of God are so insanely complex, because if they were simple someone is going stop and think, what the hell does adding up a bunch of numbers have to do with the existence of God?

He may exist, he may not, but there is no sum in the world that can tell me the colour of someone's socks, so why should there be a sum that shows the existence of god?

Gödel and thermodynamics are actually pretty simple.

The best argument for the existence of a God is: There are some things we have not yet found an explanation for ergo there must be a God.

To be honest it worries me deeply that so many people take refuge in religion.

- If there is something in the universe we don't understand - for which there is a religious argument - do we then stop looking?

- If there is something in the universe we don't understand - for which there is a religious argument - do we then tell our children the truth? That we don't know? Or do we lie?

To me it seems paramount that we are honest about what we know and what we don't know. Doubt and curiosity got us this far. I don't see the point of introducing faith.

I started this thread for amusement and it sure has brought that and more. I think that the more people discuss about what they believe they become uncomfortable about why they believe in such things. I think having this type of debate becomes positive for not only everyone in society but also the individual.

Having a belief about ANYTHING, be it routed in foundations or not, creates the current world that we all live in today. Questioning why we believe what we believe becomes important if we want to have a better future as a 'developed' society..

many people (myself included of course) have outrageous beliefs which neither serve them, nor the people who they associate with.

The world is controlled by belief systems - BS. Don't believe totally in anybody's BS. The second commandment is like unto the first: don't believe totally in your own BS. That's my message to the youth of the world.

We should start a new religion and actually pray to the poker gods... We can sacrifice small animals and rain dance and whatnot... Maybe it will bring run good... I call dibs on being high templar or supreme warlord.

We should start a new religion and actually pray to the poker gods... We can sacrifice small animals and rain dance and whatnot... Maybe it will bring run good... I call dibs on being high templar or supreme warlord.

Dibs on poker god!

Trying to prove the existence of god seems like such waste of time. Imo, there's nothing more absurd than a mathematical proof of god, and I don't follow the need for Reason to be satisfied in order for Faith to be. Especially since faith is essentially simple.

lol

Definitely turtles all the way down IMO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

So, what's the universe resting on? It's an enigma wrapped in a paradox shrouded in a mystery.

When you think about it, it's really messed up.

So, what's the universe resting on? It's an enigma wrapped in a paradox shrouded in a mystery.

When you think about it, it's really messed up.

Is it a meaningful question? I can't see how we can answer questions related to something that per definition is outside the system we are a part of.

When you think about it, it's really messed up.