Actually it's pretty clear it is has been going the other way.
What do you mean?
No no. You dont seem to get it. I know that we are imprinted with what is wrong and right to start with.
How exactly did you come to this perfectly rational epistemological conclusion? Here's a hint: don't say: 'the Bible says so' if you want to be taken at all seriously.
Religion is nothing but man's rituals and has nothing to do with God. Almost all athiest have some major issue understanding that.
No no no. That's exactly what we atheists are saying. This is a common line used to separate Christianity from other religions but it's no more than special pleading and you won't be fooling many with this line of reasoning.
While some Christian belief systems remain completely personal, most Christian dogmas have practices involved with them and so the vast majority of Christianity is actually religious in nature.
Your faith may not be, but that fact alone doesn't give any credibility to it.
There is no more evidence that Christianity is true (whether it involves religion or not) than Islam, Taoism, Shintoism, sun worship or worshippers of the invisible teacup.
If there was life just from random koas, which is hard for me even to write, then why on earth would one have to make laws about not killing or stealing.
To exact justice on those that take away from someone taking something that doesn't belong to them. If someone steals your car, we have a justice system in place that helps you find restitution. If someone takes your life, our justice system attempts to do the same thing. This has to do with justice, not morality. Don't confuse the issue.
The reason we have these things is to prevent anarchy, not teach moral lessons.
It wouldn't matter.
It doesn't, really. We are all going to die anyway, and 100% of even the faintest memory of our existence will eventually fade away, so what does it matter when, or how?
It would never come to ones mind.
And it doesn't really (I hope you can say the same for yourself). When was the last time you genuinely desired to murder someone? It has never happened to me, and most probably will never, because I have a healthy brain, a healthy upbringing and a healthy life.
I think all people have nothing to offer more than dirty rags to God and the world. It is all just crap compaired to Jesus's life. No one on the planet could ever hold a candle to him, but we should all try.
I remember the endless suffering this type of thinking cause when I was a Christian. I'm so glad that it is gone from my life now. People are fallible and we all make mistakes and perfection is unattainable. Even if it was and Jesus was perfect who cares. I'm not him and I wouldn't be me if I tried to be anyone else.
The Christian god creates us sick and orders us to be well (or be punished for eternity). What a bunch of superfluous nonsense.
For the record fwiw, I am a born again Christian of no church. It was just me and my life and a place I came to. I was at one point an athiest and said all the things that side says in these type of threads. I think I always believed in God, but I was just angry with how things had gone for me up to that point. I have had things happen in my life that I could never be convinced that were not signs of him being there in one fasion or another. I don't push my views on people. I don't judge people on the things that they do like the Christian anger mobs on TV which I think is a very small part of the actual God types.
I used to be a born-again Christian. I had a life changing 'experience with Christ' where I could literally feel him enter my heart and cleanse my inner being with his pureness. I went to church every sunday, prayed multiple times each day, read the Bible from front to back at least 5 times and literally had God as the center of my life for many years.
But always, my conscience and rational mind was tugging at my beliefs, bringing up the obvious contradictions in the Bible, the irreconcilable inconsistencies that exist in the doctrine, the lack of historicity of the biblical claims, the injustice of hell, the uselessness of prayer, and so on. This created an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance and developed into a rampaging general anxiety disorder flirting with frequent panic attacks. Finally, when it reached its crescendo, I completely broke down and I was forced to re-analyze my faith from a logical point of view: to find evidence or not, to resolve the contradictions or accept them, to establish the historicity of the bible or discard it, to accept the injustice of hell or blind myself. Once I found out the impossibility of having a 'reasonable faith,' I had no choice but to discard it from my life. I can say without question that I am a happier, healthier, more rational and stronger person than I could ever hope to be while lying to myself.
You are entitled to your point of view. One of the great things about living in a free society is our ability to live peacefully along side each other while sharing differences in belief and life practice.
But I have walked before in Christian shoes, so I am competent to judge the Christian faith from a rational point of view.
Actually it is very historical and that is being shown more and more.
It depends what you mean by historical. And we also have to refrain from looking at the Bible as one historical account. It has 66-68 books (depending on your sect) and a multitude of different authors. Some books have multiple authors. Some VERSES have multiple authors. Some books were left out of the official canon, which was determined at Nicea in 325. Where do those fit in?
Is it factual? Probably partially. Are ANY of the miracles or great claims supported by external evidence or documentation? Absolutely not. Is the creation legend taken as literal by historians? Absolutely not. Is the creation legend supported by extra-biblical evidence in any way? Absolutely the opposite. The biblical creation account is completely debunked by many different branches of science. Did Jesus exist? Probably someone existed like Jesus, or Jesus was a literary interpretation of a few different people around that period of time, but even that's debatable. A lot of historians believe he was completely fabricated.
Aside from that, the one event listed in the bible which should have the most evidence if it was true is the exodus. 603 350 people traveling from Egypt to the promised land in 1 year would leave a massive amount of archaeological evidence behind. There would be paintings in Egyptian literature or statues or SOMETHING. But there is nothing. Not a scrap of a broken pottery jar. Not a single Egyptian painting hyeroglyph, statue, or figurine. NOTHING.
It simply didn't happen.