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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by threads13 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Great start to the season and brilliant to see Threads with a whole series.

I have finally caught the RUSH bug, any chance of an episode or two in this series?

Keep up the good work man!

I think that's a pretty common mistake is to cry implied odds and call with a bunch of pretty-looking hands here. The pre-flop pot odds tell so little, compared to think about how post-flop play will be profitable, about the profitable the hand will be. The profitability of the hand will lie in how well will it play post-flop.

The problem with the pot odds pre-flop argument is when a bunch of money goes in pre-flop, the pot gets bigger. When pots are raised and multi-way, the pot gets bigger. When the pot is bigger, c-bets are bigger. That means you have to pay a higher portion of your stack to draw. This actually cuts your implied odds for drawing (it boosts your "flopping monsters" implied odds, but J7s pretty much sucks at flopping monsters). J7s is principally a hand that's going to flop a lot of draws (two-pair/trip draws, flush draws, straight draws). So, I'm only calling here if the SPR will be high enough such that I can still draw and drawing will be profitable. Drawing really is not that profitable vs TAGs (when you're drawing to a flush, TAGs don't really pay off when it gets there). So, I need there to be a bad player in the pot. Having said that, if a bad player is in the pot I'm probably calling regardless of the fact that it's multi-way, so it being multi-way is not often a huge perk to get into these situations when you're 100bb deep. If you make the stacks deep, you kind of like that it's multi-way because it brings the whole stacks into play and the pot is not so big such that it cuts down on your implied odds. You're in the happy middle area then.

Given it was a min-raise (I probably missed that at the time) you can probably call with stuff like J9s or J8s here given there's a bad player in the pot. If you make this a 3bb raise, I think you have to tighten up to J9s and JTs.

Thanks for a great response. I am very wary of these kind of situations and no longer call with any trash crying "implied odds" - I just thought J7s here might be about the bottom of my calling range, but you didn't even consider it so I just wanted to make sure my thought process wasn't way out of whack. It seems it probably isn't but maybe I need to tighten up just a little more + you missed the fact that it was a min raise (which I wasn't sure if you had done or not and how that affected the decision).

Thanks.

Great start to the season and brilliant to see Threads with a whole series.
I have finally caught the RUSH bug, any chance of an episode or two in this series?

Keep up the good work man!

I don't have a lot of Rush experience at this point so I highly doubt that I'll do anything in these series. I run into enough trouble explaining my thought process with 4-tables and using my time bank to create explanation time (see my multiple time outs for proof), so I imagine I'd be a hot mess trying to coach while playing Rush.

Also, my own play as of late has been moving in the direction of playing fewer tables and getting reads. I think it would be using my skills optimally do videos geared towards the same thing. To the effect, I'm thinking of making the 200NL section as a doing two videos covering the same session so I may be able to talk about getting reads a little bit more.

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Tbl 1: What do you think the merits are to slow playing here? When I was watching I instantly thought slow play because you have the board so crushed and to keep both fish in who wont fold TP if they hit on the turn. Why do you think raising is better here?

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on the bottom left with the A5 why are we not isolating with that? there is a person sitting out to our left and someone in front of us just limped.
great vid

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what do u think about calling the min raise with j9 or possibly 3betting it?

Tbl 1: What do you think the merits are to slow playing here? When I was watching I instantly thought slow play because you have the board so crushed and to keep both fish in who wont fold TP if they hit on the turn. Why do you think raising is better here?

I figured they had plenty of draws that I could go ahead and get extra value from here. They aren't folding an overpair anyways. Between the two of them, you'd think that one has some sort of draw or overpair that I can get it in against/get a raise in against pretty often right now. Essentially there are two loose and bad players who seem interested in the pot already, so I don't see a need to slowplay so that they can become interested.

on the bottom left with the A5 why are we not isolating with that? there is a person sitting out to our left and someone in front of us just limped.
great vid

Just a standard video mistake. Didn't notice that we were in the CO. Things like that happen in videos because I'm focusing on different things.

what do u think about calling the min raise with j9 or possibly 3betting it?

Both options seem bad, but I think it goes folding>calling>>>>>3-betting.

If we're thinking of 3-betting we are usually 3-betting as a bluff or 3-betting for value.

This guy is a loose passive player, so I'm completely dropping my 3-bet bluffing range. There's no reason to bluff a guy that never folds, right? That would just set us up to have a wide and weak range vs a guy we need to have value-betting hands. Weak hands aren't very good at value-betting.

It's hard to imagine that J9o is a value 3-bet, so there's no way this can be a 3-bet.

Calling is also pretty meh. He seems to have a tight opening range, thus I need to be play hands that have the ability to out-flop him, or hit a draw that can get paid. J9o doesn't do either of those things.

As a bit of a thought puzzle (try to just think big picture here, from there you can make your adjustments based on how they played post-flop)...

- What range would you flat vs an 11/7 opening UTG?
- How should that change vs a 50/7?

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Very nice vid!

vs. a TAG, you say you don't hate calling KK in MP - could you expand on that a bit? fwiw, I'm a 6max player with very little FR experience, I'd only be calling KK in CO/BTN with someone left to act that I expect to squeeze relatively often, and/or with fish in the blinds, would never occur to me to flat in MP? Thanks!

Very nice vid!

vs. a TAG, you say you don't hate calling KK in MP - could you expand on that a bit? fwiw, I'm a 6max player with very little FR experience, I'd only be calling KK in CO/BTN with someone left to act that I expect to squeeze relatively often, and/or with fish in the blinds, would never occur to me to flat in MP? Thanks!

Sure, when you're playing vs aware TAGs you have to be aware of your perceived range. Your perceived range looks crazy strong when you 3-bet here. You can't go crazy 3-bet bluffing too much as his range is strong, and there's still several people left to act that can just happen to show up with a hand. So, we can't bluff a lot. In general when we can't have a lot of bluffs it becomes harder to value bet (he'll bluff catch less if he doesn't think we're bluffing). So, since we can't really be bluffing a lot, he should be able to play really well against our range when we 3-bet. Meaning he probably makes more mistakes vs us if we flat KK than if we 3-bet it. Thus, we probably do better to flat KK in that spot without image.

In a 6-max game people are more default getting it in with AK,QQ, JJ type hands pre-flop, and thus 3-betting KK is going to be much more appealing. That's just a case of where ranges change because of the general game dynamics of 6-max vs FR (players don't like getting it in as wide in FR in general). Also, it's way easier to build an active image pre-flop because you're facing wider ranges, so 3-bet bluffing is more of viable strategy. So, people expect more bluffs and your stats/image will tend to agree with the story they expect. When people see a story they want to believe in, and see it confirmed, you can expect them to react. Thus, your image and people's general behavior makes 3-betting KK much more appealing.

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Great explanation of perceived ranges in that spot, makes perfect sense.

I'm asking questions while watching the video, apologies if I ask about something you address later in the vid.

Here you have A3o on table 4 in the CO, and start saying it's an interesting spot because we might be thinking about stealing with this hand against tight players left to act, but we want to think about what hands we want to be stealing with against tight players - and then you flop a straight bvb on table 2.

You continue talking about hands to play against tight players a few minutes later, talking about the diff between 66 and T9s utg against a tight lineup left to act - here, though, in LP is this not a good steal opportunity if we have tight players to act? The postflop value of this hand isn't great, just like the 66 utg discussion, but isn't the pf steal value good enough if the players left to act are folding a ton to a LP steal? As you might guess from my question, I like to steal with a pretty wide range until someone behind me gives me a reason .to narrow my range.

Never mind, you did address it a few minutes later, thanks!

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Any particular reason you raise to $1.25 from the cutoff w/ Q6 suited on table three here? You've bounced around between raise sizes and I didn't know if this was an accidental reflection of the strength of your hand manifesting itself in your open size.

Any particular reason you raise to $1.25 from the cutoff w/ Q6 suited on table three here? You've bounced around between raise sizes and I didn't know if this was an accidental reflection of the strength of your hand manifesting itself in your open size.

Na, it has nothing to do with my specific hand's strength. I typically use different raise sizes by position and I also make bigger raises when there's a bad player I'll be isolating. I'm making it 4bb in EP, 3bb in MP, 2.5bb from LP. The stronger my range, the bigger the raise. If there's a bad player in the blinds, I make the raise size bigger. So, I'll make it 4bb across the board (I probably could make it 5bb in EP then). If the loose and bad player from the blinds is short stacked, I make just make it 3bb anyways because I won't have any trouble getting his stack in, and that keeps the SPR a little bit higher so that I have a little more flexibility.