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I'm trying Tim Ferris' "slow carb diet" from his "4 Hour Body" book. I can only eat legumes (for carbs), vegetables and protean plus I get to binge on whatever I want 1 day a week (fruits, milk/lactose, grains ect..). I feel great and I've been losing weight (10lbs in 3 weeks with no exercise or portion/calorie restrictions so far). It's a little tough to do this diet as a vegetarian but it's much easier than attempting to balance eating grains and dairy (& fructose) while trying to lose weight or trying to fall asleep when your stomach is growling.

How is the section on the sleep diet in that book? I was curious about that.

To Nawhead: Consider this: If somebody only ate chocolate bars all day, they would become fat, stupid and moody but chances are they will still get a lot more accomplished than the guy who has to go out and forrage for a possible (not guaranteed) meal.
Also, the domestication of livestock may be a significantly bigger factor than the production of grains as far as agriculture and societal advancement is concerned. Grains are great to have on hand when you want to grow some meat, though.
Grains are clearly better than malnutrition/starvtion but just because advanced soci[e]ties have things like cake and pastries and bread and pasta does not make it the best choice in a world with supermarkets and year round access to fresh produce.

wow, this really drove it home for me. i'm sold (enough to try the Whole30 and read one of these books)! thanks Bazman (and Jigglin and Chazb0t for the assists!).

The other really interesting thing in the book is its comments about the size of people/ their brains. I had a perception (mainly gleaned I guess from walking into old pubs in London where you have to duck your head in every door way) that people in past ages were all midgets and have been steadily getting bigger as diets medicine etc improved. That is certainly true over the past few hundred years, but in fact the biggest man ever was, both in body and brain size, was approx 10,000 years ago. We steadily decreased following the introduction of agriculture until the last few generations in which huge strides were made in medicine, vaccinations etc.

It's a great book with all kinds of interesting stuff, much like his 4 hour work week book. The sleep section is in two parts. The first is about how the author overcame his onset insomnia (trouble getting to sleep) and how he went about sleeping better in general. He suggests quite a few gadgets and a few tricks like eating a heavy protean fat meal close to bed time and keeping your bedroom between 67-70 degrees...The second section is about poliphasic sleep; essentially using strategicly timed nap(s) to shave down total sleep time. Apparently, you can get by on 2 hours of sleep a day if you have 5-25 minute naps at specific intervals. I'm currently fighting onset insomnia (since I gave up weekday pot smoking) and the stuff the book suggested seems to have helped.

The point should be to use the modern farming methods we have developed agriculturally to produce more healthy fruit, veg, beans, seeds and meat. Then just eat those. No need for grains at all.

Hi !

Pls update as You progress with this. Im interested in about changing my diet, BUT as Im cynical/sceptical person I need to be convinced about this.

Tx...

Yet another person coming off all medications, especially diabetes medication by following the primal blueprint:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-rise-of-lazarus/#more-20444

If you read the success stories on Mark's Daily Apple there are tons of them...

Another consideration, Nawhead, is that in choosing to follow this diet you're only making a choice for yourself, individually, rather than determining the dietary decisions for the entire species. It's probably beneficial to have a cheaper but less healthy base for the world population (although I'm sure there are counter-arguments, and if somebody asserts that it's not actually cheaper even before medical care, well, I'm too lazy to do research to find data to refute them and will accept it), but if you can afford to, you might as well make the best decision possible for yourself.

That said, I lack discipline when it comes to my diet. Not that I eat practically any fast food, and drink maybe 3 liters of soda per year. I just eat moderately at my own whim. Perhaps I'll give this plan a try at some point in the future, though, as I've heard of it before and it did pique my interest.

After reading this thread, I felt so guilty yesterday (seriously).
3/4 a pizza. Very sleep afterwards. lol

Another consideration, Nawhead, is that in choosing to follow this diet you're only making a choice for yourself, individually, rather than determining the dietary decisions for the entire species. It's probably beneficial to have a cheaper but less healthy base for the world population (although I'm sure there are counter-arguments, and if somebody asserts that it's not actually cheaper even before medical care, well, I'm too lazy to do research to find data to refute them and will accept it), but if you can afford to, you might as well make the best decision possible for yourself.

It is more expensive, especially going out to eat for lunch. the meat isn't a problem, but substituting the cheap staples with vegetables or fruits is almost always extra. and browsing the grocery aisles last night, i was dumbfounded cause the only thing i could think to eat for dinner was fried eggs, a grapefruit, and some nuts. i literally felt like i was foraging for food i was so confused and having to look past 80-90% of all the food isles.

it's not simply a choice, but an undue burden if you have a big family to support. it seems you'd have to grocery shop daily to provide a primal diet because foodstuffs just become bigger (moisture content) in general.

but i haven't read much about how to properly transition into a primal diet, so these are just fumbling initial impressions.

It is more expensive, especially going out to eat for lunch. the meat isn't a problem, but substituting the cheap staples with vegetables or fruits is almost always extra. and browsing the grocery aisles last night, i was dumbfounded cause the only thing i could think to eat for dinner was fried eggs, a grapefruit, and some nuts. i literally felt like i was foraging for food i was so confused and having to look past 80-90% of all the food isles.

It takes a while to get used to, I was the same way when I started.

http://cdn.marksdailyapple.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Primal-Blueprint-Shopping-List.pdf

Mark's Daily Apple comes out with many reciples weekly and has a huge archive of past posts.

Just try to remember no rice, no bread, no pasta.

this makes so much sense and is pretty easy to do

cut out HFCS, soda, sugar, grains, alcohol and eat meat, beans, seeds, healthy oils and vegetables often

I am going to give it a go because I am currently sick from drinking too much and not getting enough rest as well as recently not eating very well, my diet is pretty good overall, but ive been sick the past three days because i went out and it was raining, stayed in the rain drinking and just ate mcdonalds 4 meals.. when i think about grok and his diet theres no wonder i got sick!

and there seems to be hardliner and moderate camps. that Primal Blueprint shopping list seems very moderate. but i was just reading Cordain's "The Paleo Diet" at the bookstore (Primal Blueprint was out), and he has a zero tolerance view of all milk (and milk-derived products like butter, cream, cheese), considers the grains and potatoes "suited only for starvation," and no salt. but he does allow moderate alcohol. and at the extreme, the Whole9Life site is also zero tolerance on milk but also alcohol in any form.

but legumes (beans) and peanuts is cut out across the board. except green beans which is "more pod than bean."

I go to a place near my house which serves really tasty salads I wonder if I could live off them and be roughly sticking to the primal diet?

The salads come with 4 different types of leafy greens as standard + choose 5(+) from the following:
mushroom, bell pepper, olives, beetroot, sweetcorn, tomato, almonds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, cashew nuts, asparagus, jobs tear, and a bunch of other stuff I never get so I forget

then you can choose 1 of the meats:
Chicken, Beef, Salmon, Bacon and potatoes, Tofu

then you choose a dressing:
Pumpkin, French, Thousand Island, Thai mint and some others I forgot

Seems like this has everything covered for the primal diet, meat, vegetables, all organic and very cheap (the above costs around $2.50 USD)

Thoughts? Anything else essential that isn't covered in this?

Thoughts? Anything else essential that isn't covered in this?

Sounds pretty good to me... You might get bored eating the same thing everyday. I'm sure there are plenty of Thai dishes that are primal, or you can eat around the noodles.

I still eat a lot of the things I used to, I just don't eat the rice or pasta or bread.

I love Thai green curry with chicken and shrimp

Just google "Thai Paleo"

There are plenty of resources and blogs of people trying to do the same thing

One Example:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f15/staying-paleo-thailand-1213017/

Also sweetcorn and job's tears are grains so pick those out. Potatoes are high in carbohydrates but it's not really a big deal, they are fine in moderation.