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@Chazb0t

It is such a small amount I wouldn't worry about it. The goal of paleo/primal is to be low-carb and for your main sources of carbs to be fruits/veg, not to be on a zero-carb diet.

But yes they do have zero-carb whey brands... I bet they taste disgusting... I only use optimum products because there are the best tasting by far IMO

thanks. which flavour is your fvourite? i'll check that brand out next time. i always go for Chocolate with the Reflex brand; it's semi acceptable, but still not really awesome.

@Entity

Keep in mind that "sugar" isn't necessarily a singular term. Sugar can mean pretty much anything ending in -ose, which means that glucose (absorbs fast, spikes sugars but can be directly utilized by the body) is different than fructose (still absorbs fast, but has to be processed by the liver and turned into glycogen before it can be utilized). Whey concentrate contains lactose (milk sugar) which is what you see in Optimum Nutrition, which also includes Lactase in order to help you digest the lactose.

Rob

thanks rob, that helps a lot. of course if i eat fruits, that will have sugars too.
btw, is fruit juice OK? by that i mean 100% (not from concentrate) orange juice.

Haven't read too much on the whole Paleo thing except peoples discussion in this thread, but I get most of my nutritional info from from the guys that run Precision Nutrition. His basic strategy and 10 tips on daily nutrition are the nuts. Seems to be very similar to the paleo idea but less restrictive and he's kinda crazy about unprocessed whole grains like quinoa and steel cut oats.

I own Berardi's book A Grapplers Guide To Sports Nutrition and follow his diet guides whenever I'm getting ready for a fight and they're awesome. I'm thinking about ordering precision nutrition for the cook books. I like how his approach is based on making manageable changes in lifestyle and actually guides you on how to do that with items to add to and remove from your kitchen and cupboards etc. I'll have to look into the whole paleo thing.

@Entity


thanks rob, that helps a lot. of course if i eat fruits, that will have sugars too.
btw, is fruit juice OK? by that i mean 100% (not from concentrate) orange juice.

Fruit juice is only marginally better than soda because it has a better micro to macro nutrient ratio, meaning it has more vitamins and minerals. But it sucks because it still has a very comparable macro nutrient profile meaning it has roughly the same amount of sugar and will cause a similar insulin response. So the difference between eating an orange and drinking orange juice is that when you eat an orange you have to digest alot of the dietary fiber in order to digest the sugar which slows the spike in blood sugar and the insulin response, whereas drinking the juice you absorb and digest the sugar much faster.
Entity probably knows the difference accross different kinds of fruit juices, this is just a general idea of the difference between eating fruit and drinking fruit juice.

pretty sure fruit juice is generally bad - x1logic has it right

Oh that's a bummer.
Thanks for the advice on fruit juice.
So I put juice in my smoothies, guess I have to stop doing that. Now I feel like all i can drink is water! Hope tea is still OK

Oh that's a bummer.
Thanks for the advice on fruit juice.
So I put juice in my smoothies, guess I have to stop doing that. Now I feel like all i can drink is water! Hope tea is still OK

I'd recommend just using whole fruit in your smoothies.

Kale + Spinach + Banana + Almond Butter (just a tbsp or so) + Vanilla Whey Protein (or Chocolate Whey Protein) = a delicious green smoothie. If you feel like less carbs (eating it as a breakfast replacement one morning or something) just drop the Banana, it's still good.

Rob

thanks for that recipe. dumb question: you add water to that, right?! otherwise that's all super dry?

thanks for that recipe. dumb question: you add water to that, right?! otherwise that's all super dry?

Yeah, water and ice (I have a monster blender, watch out in the way that you mix ice if you have a normal blender and not something like a Blendtec).

Rob

ok, here's a pretty serious question for all of you who follow this primal/paleo/whole9 etc and live with a partner/spouse who doesn't eat the same way.

i've just started my Primal Blueprint diet, and now my girlfriend who i've been living with since november last year (5 months) is not happy about my new lifestyle choice. not happy at all
so while last week i had sporadically skipping any grain based dinners, after this weekend i'm tyring to go 100% grain free. now she's super worried that this will put a serious test to our relationship because we won't eat dinner together anymore. this all happend last night... i stayed calm and just explained to her that we can still dine together most of the time! meat/fish/chicken plus any vegatable, and she can have her pasta/rice or whatever. but she's worried about not eating pizza together, chinese take out, pasta dishes she likes to make for us and stuff like that.
how can i best deal with this? she told me that she's really hoping i'll give up in a few weeks...

uhm, seriously where is the question?
girlfriend > diet or diet > girlfriend? really that hard of a choice?

you make your diet because you want to live healthier, right?
than don't forget the psychological part of being healthy!
I personally think being in a great relationship adds far more to your health than a good diet.

how can i best deal with this? she told me that she's really hoping i'll give up in a few weeks...

Wow man that sucks. Pretty sure the line is "you can either stop being a selfish bitch and support me in this positive change I'm trying to make in my life or hit the road." (maybe in a little more diplomatic way )

Make sure she understands that you still can still eat together most of the time, but I think she does and there's something else going on here. Like maybe she wants you to eat the same foods as her so she doesn't feel bad eating pizza/chinese/whatever whilst you're eating your healthy meal. Happens a decent amount - someone starts up at the gym, makes changes and feels better, their partner then feels worse about themselves and rather than using that motivation to go to the gym also they instead try to make the other person stop going to the gym.

Like, if you were both smokers, you decided to stop smoking and she wasn't happy because you didn't get to spend that smoking time together, then said she hopes you pick up smoking again soon... well that'd be ridiculous. Yet I think this situation is pretty similar (although less severe).

But yeah bottom line is any reaction from her other than "that's great, what can I do to support you in this?" is bad news imo (if she understands why you're doing this and it's not just some fad thing you're picking up on a whim). Although this is all just speculation, I don't know the situation so could be way off.

@poemmel
that's a good point of course; but i think in a relationship one should try to support each other. this is my choice and it's for the better, not the worse, so my gf should be happy about it. of course if it puts a ton of stress on her, i will choose her over the diet (it's a lifestyle more than a diet) any day.

@mitch
that's really good stuff, good comparisons.
btw, i'm in pretty good and healthy shape already. almost never ill, going to the gym, cycling to work, dont' smoke etc. it's not like i'm super obese and now want to lose weight. perhaps she would be more OK with that (but if i was fat i doubt she'd be with me in the first place then haha).
she's in good shape too, but doesn't go to the gym.
what you write makes a lot of sense. and gives me good points to think about, from her perspective.
she recently gave up smoking, on her own (i had nudged her, but mostly just let it go and let her do it) so that was good.

now she's super worried that this will put a serious test to our relationship

she sounds pretty immature.

just tell her she's messing with your zen thing and you feel a cold coming on and need to lie down.

actually, better yet, you need to point out to her that emotional blackmail is relationship poison and that you hate immature bitches who do things like that. then poke her in the chest really hard with your finger to emphasize your point while saying "get my point? *poke* missy!?" then slam a Mt. Dew like a boss and quietly reveal that, "i was the one testing you, and you failed."

all i know about girls i learned from books.

I've been on the paleo regime for 13 days now. the most significant benefits so far for me is
1. baby smooth face (for someone who's had severe childhood acne and re-occuring adult acne his entire life, this is the most revelatory)
2. increased energy and alertness for entire day, regardless of empty or full stomach
3. more fun (cause of the random sprints and weights).
4. learning new stuff

Did some wikipedia surfing today, and realized paleo is just another offshoot of the low carb diet first introduced to the (modern) world by William Banting in 1863 whose "diet was four meals per day, consisting of meat, greens, fruits, and dry wine."

The things that seem to differentiate Paleo diet from an Atkins or a South Beath is the evolutionary biology stuff (the stuff about phytate, lectin in foods), and the evolutionary biology fitness stuff like slow walking with random speed and power movements, periods of fasting and randomization of meals and exercise to increase robustness. but at its core, the meals themselves are functionally the same as Atkins.

I actually did try the Zone diet (a derivation of Atkins) a few years back, but there was too much portion control involved. all the paleo books eschew that in favor of listening to your body naturally, which has a new age flavor to it. and the fitness and philosophy seems to go along with that new age (or old age) sensibility as well.

The Paleolithic diet really does have a romantic appeal once you get over the dumb caveman reservations. but some of the fitness ideas and philosophy just seems to come from nowhere, and it really does seem like a fad. so i'm probably heading more in the direction of a generalized low carb/no carb diet. but i definitely will hold onto some Paleo-only stuff which i liked. and i love how thinking about this got my head questioning what it is i'm eating, again.