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Yeah my wife loves coconut oil for cooking too, and she also uses irish butter which is apparently "more" paleo. For frying eggs you don't need anything though, it will cook just fine in a non stick pan. Even better, cook the bacon in the pan first, then fry the eggs in the bacon fat, shipppp

Rob / anyone, more broadly than sauces I just feel like the only "healthy" liquid I put on my food is either EVOO or some balsamic vinaigrette, just looking for more options for on top of chicken, salads, etc.

Kate and I use a caper butter sauce at least once a week (usually with cod and cauliflower rice). Pesto (homemade) is indispensable, and bernaise/hollandaise sauces aren't that hard and are paleo friendly as well. I've also heard good things about adobo sauce (chiles in adobo (canned in Ethnic aisle of most grocery stores), olive oil, garlic clove, fresh like juice and cilantro) but haven't cooked it myself yet.

On salads I pretty much always go with balsamic vinaigrette, but that's always been one of my favorite dressings.

Rob

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Yea, I only eat meat. For the vast majority of our evolution we were hunter-gatherers. The vast majority of plants are toxic to us. Any animal is edible as long as we're strong, quick, or smart enough to catch it. We aren't the strongest or quickest but we did develop large brains and learned to make tools and work in teams. Humans wouldn't have wasted their time foraging for vegetables when they could get a big kill. Fruits would have been unavailable in most areas we migrated to, or only available during a small window of time. Also, they weren't nearly as sweet as todays fruits. But with fruits, my question is cui bono? They tree "wants" us to eat them so the seeds can be excreted in a nice pile of manure. I don't think seeds or any fibrous-undigestible material running through our intestines is a good idea and I don't eat anything that wants to be eaten. Being an omnivore has certainly served us well, but it isn't optimal.

Yea, I only eat meat. For the vast majority of our evolution we were hunter-gatherers.

I agree that we have been hunter-gatherers, and can also bold certain words to try and lessen the other ones. Do you have anything concrete to backup your psuedo-logic? Like basically what you're saying is monkey eats spinach, we eat monkey and also get the nutrients from the spinach(as they're stored in the monkey) so don't need to eat spinach? I mean, I guess that makes sense on the surface, I've just never really seen anyone suggest that that's what happens.

I agree fruit doesn't need to be a regular part of a diet though.

I agree that we have been hunter-gatherers

I don't know what is going on here. But I think djcollin is awesome and his diet reminds me of my friend's cuteatarian diet, where he only ate cute animals (baby cow, rabbit). Pretty sure there's a solid scientific basis for that as well.

Bah, tried to bold the hypen - didn't show up.

Rob

Wait hold on here we go... trees want us to eat their fruit therefore make their fruit full of stuff that makes us strong and healthy so we'll eat more. So it's a very good idea to eat fruit... all the time. Logic!

fwiw the main problem with eggs was cholesterol and now people realize that dietary intake of cholesterol apparently has little impact on your own cholesterol levels.

interesting, you got some links about this? Most of what I found (I just googled something like "eggs and diabetes", or type "2 diabetes and egg whites") was just stuff from .com websites on the front page of google. I am usually skeptical about anything that just pops up as popular on the internet as most of it is rubbish with no backing science or well done studies, so I am unsure of exactly what the truth is behind all this eggs and diabetics stuff.

@mitch - Theorize however you'd like. I eat this way and it works. If you're looking to read, I'll give you a few bones: Vilhjalmur Stefansson, Good Calories - Bad Calories, Speth [1991, p. 265]. It's clear that human bodies can adapt to any diet; it makes the best out of whatever it's given. Ever heard of the Twinkie Diet? The guy (a nutrition professor) lost substantial weight, improved his cholesterol, and his triglyceride levels dropped. To say the least, I'm highly skeptical of the modern view of nutrition.

@mitch - Theorize however you'd like. I eat this way and it works. If you're looking to read, I'll give you a few bones: Vilhjalmur Stefansson, Good Calories - Bad Calories, Speth [1991, p. 265]. It's clear that human bodies can adapt to any diet; it makes the best out of whatever it's given. Ever heard of the Twinkie Diet? The guy (a nutrition professor) lost substantial weight, improved his cholesterol, and his triglyceride levels dropped. To say the least, I'm highly skeptical of the modern view of nutrition.

There is another diet done where a guy ate mcdonalds for 30 days (I think) while maintaining his calorie in/calorie out level and hitting all his macro/micros every day and he lost 8 lbs as well as maintained healthy cholesterol and blood sugar levels. I believe he put on some muscle as well but I can't remember exactly.

It really comes down to what works for you. If Paleo works then do it, if eating twinkes works then do it (although its going to be tough to hit proper nutrition levels doing this one), but just because something works doesn't mean its "right" or "the only way", which I think is why paleo or primal choices get a lot of negativity thrown at them. It seems like a there are those people so entrenched into thinking it's the only way to be healthy that they refuse to believe or accept that there is any other way to live. Don't be that person, keep an open mind!

@ poolsweeper

If you look at the forums on marksdailyapple you get the sense that some of the people there are almost trying to "out-primal" one another. While it is regularly the case with internet forums (and life in general) that the most fanatical are also the most vocal, it seems the real message is lost for many. The point is to eat well, so that you are in good shape, can live longer, be healthy - and, ultimately, enjoy your life. It seems that this ultimate goal is lost for many.

the issue i think is that "eat well" (in the 1960's-2000's model) works very well for a time given that you're 1. young and 2. have an active lifestyle. but there seems to be a timer over your head regardless. Robb Wolf has said he fit the profile of a healthy person yet still burned out and started having complications once he got older, thus the change to paleo.

i'm having a similar experience as well. i'm only 32, a lean 5'10" 150 lbs, run 2-3 times a week, no gut, drink coke/soda about once a month, and eat healthier than 95% of people i see in public. yet i'm starting to suspect my body's already becoming diabetic. i feel it in my body and my emotions.

and i think going 80% paleo will still leave you 20% at risk. that's a personal choice, really, but don't think it's optimal in any way. that's like saying "i used to gamble with my life everyday, now i'm just going to do it once a week. i still enjoy gambling, so i'm comfortable with this level of risk now since it's so much better than what i was doing before."

if we're just talking about living 30-40 years, i don't think diet matters that much. be like djcollin and eat twinkies your whole life. you'll probably do just fine. i'm looking to maximize my life edges for the 2nd half of my life. and i think going "overboard" is the only way to do that. so thank you for making this thread!

(but fwiw, i already lost the taste for sweets during adolescence due to acne, and i've had a lukewarm relationship with breads and dairy my whole life, so the paleo change is kinda welcome since i'm probably gluten and lactose sensitive already. it's just huge relief to know i don't have to eat breads to be "normal.")

interesting, you got some links about this? Most of what I found (I just googled something like "eggs and diabetes", or type "2 diabetes and egg whites") was just stuff from .com websites on the front page of google. I am usually skeptical about anything that just pops up as popular on the internet as most of it is rubbish with no backing science or well done studies, so I am unsure of exactly what the truth is behind all this eggs and diabetics stuff.

I think you might be confusing your causes/diseases a bit - pretty sure cholesterol has nothing to do with diabetes. There's metabolic syndrome, which is sort of like insulin resistance, high cholesterol and obesity all rolled up into one, but I don't know why eating eggs would have anything to do with type 2 DM.

eta: There's some discussions I have with Travis Steffen in his shuffle and flow series where I provide a TON of links to scientific papers that discuss low-carb eating habits, why saturated not fat is bad (this is relevant for eggs), and other stuff.

@mitch - Theorize however you'd like. I eat this way and it works. If you're looking to read, I'll give you a few bones: Vilhjalmur Stefansson, Good Calories - Bad Calories, Speth [1991, p. 265]. It's clear that human bodies can adapt to any diet; it makes the best out of whatever it's given. Ever heard of the Twinkie Diet? The guy (a nutrition professor) lost substantial weight, improved his cholesterol, and his triglyceride levels dropped. To say the least, I'm highly skeptical of the modern view of nutrition.

Are you quantifying "works" with nutrient levels, or is it more of a subjective "i feel/look better" thing?

yet i'm starting to suspect my body's already becoming diabetic. i feel it in my body and my emotions.

??? These things can be measured, you know.

I think you might be confusing your causes/diseases a bit - pretty sure cholesterol has nothing to do with diabetes. There's metabolic syndrome, which is sort of like insulin resistance, high cholesterol and obesity all rolled up into one, but I don't know why eating eggs would have anything to do with type 2 DM.

eta: There's some discussions I have with Travis Steffen in his shuffle and flow series where I provide a TON of links to scientific papers that discuss low-carb dieting, why saturated not fat is bad (this is relevant for eggs), and other stuff.

You are right I was confused at first by your post as it was related to cholesterol combined with eggs and not so much type 2 diabetes. I am not sure exactly the science linking eggs and diabetes, I honestly havent had enough time to get into the actual ins and outs of it. I have done a few brush overs on the over all material but have a lot to learn still, mostly for my fathers sake and the fact that I do not want to develop diabetes <-- duh!

Are you quantifying "works" with nutrient levels, or is it more of a subjective "i feel/look better" thing?

I have no nutritional deficiencies, my blood pressure has lowered, and my BG level is rock solid. Subjectively, my body feels and looks better and my vision has gotten better (I believe the improvement is from my eating regimen). Mental clarity and emotional stability have been the most unexpected benefits.

You are right I was confused at first by your post as it was related to cholesterol combined with eggs and not so much type 2 diabetes. I am not sure exactly the science linking eggs and diabetes, I honestly havent had enough time to get into the actual ins and outs of it. I have done a few brush overs on the over all material but have a lot to learn still, mostly for my fathers sake and the fact that I do not want to develop diabetes <-- duh!

The link between eggs and type-2 diabetes was based on a flawed study, IIRC.

Rob