Very interesting thread. And kind of confusing because of all the info.
I have a few questions and hope some of you knowledgeable people can say something about it:
First, I do 2hour boxing workouts 3 times a week. I do them seriously meaning I give it all I got. However, since I have very little fat (none?), I feel I need to load up before the workout. So what I do is I make a fruit juice consisting of 3 oranges,grapes,and ginger, and sometimes I throw in whatever fruit needs to be consumed. I feel I load up with sugar, and then expend it. After the workout I'm super hungry. And thirsty.
Now, after reading this thread, I'm worried about the fruitjuice thing. However, if I didn't do it, I feel I'd lose weight quickly (35yrs-184cm-77kg, so no need).
Also, I have concerns about the meat intake: it doesn't seem right to me to ingest large quantities of meat that comes from animals that aren't healthy, the whole bioindustry thing. Apart from the fact that it's sad and respectless towards animals, it's also the idea that those animals (especially chicken, pigs) aren't healthy, and suffer. So eating an animal that's not healthy (because of what they are fed, lack of exercise, extreme stress) is not going to be bad for me on the long term, and it wouldn't surprise me that the main cause of disease is not only what we eat, but the quality of our food (especially meat, and the excess of dairy products coming from "overmilked" cows).
I realize there are healthy variants of meat, but they do get very expensive (all the green bio meats). And also I don't completely trust that either, and I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years it was all a marketing trick anyway, and that these healthy and expensive meat products are not so healthy after all).
So basically, I'd rather eat no meat, than bad quality meat (and most meat is), but then, where do I get enough proteins from?