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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Four

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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Four by Grindcore

Grindcore plays 100NL and focuses on "creative" plays which can give you an edge in the games and help avoid the "grind".

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 56 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Grindcore

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Did that DC short on donkbetting already came out? I can't find it.



No, I have other plans with the content. Can't talk about it yet Wink

Posted about 2 years ago

beachbum

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Time Link to 00:54:17

Bart, you mention about how when the "average regular" bombs the river in spots like these, it's almost always a monster. Obviously his bet size is polarized, so he either has a boat+ or a missed draw almost every time. So you're saying regs aren't usually close to potting it here with missed flush draws or hands like AJ? At what limits would you say this read is reliable for? Are the better regs at say NL400 balancing their range with this bet size a little better?

Also, what spots do you think this applies to: when the reg has initiative and fires a 3rd barrel, or when he calls twice and you check to him (or both)?

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Bart, you mention about how when the "average regular" bombs the river in spots like these, it's almost always a monster. Obviously his bet size is polarized, so he either has a boat+ or a missed draw almost every time. So you're saying regs aren't usually close to potting it here with missed flush draws or hands like AJ? At what limits would you say this read is reliable for? Are the better regs at say NL400 balancing their range with this bet size a little better?

Also, what spots do you think this applies to: when the reg has initiative and fires a 3rd barrel, or when he calls twice and you check to him (or both)?



Yeah the large betsize is a value-tell. It's even reliable at midstakes vs some of the lesser regs. If the guy gives off a tagfishy feel, the tell is very reliable imo. It's not stakes related.

It applies mostly when they have the initiative.

Posted about 2 years ago

cpau33

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Time Link to 00:08:58

t2: KQs

you said you thought that you were the pfr in the hand so donking is a mistake. But 3way, you dont think that vilain will cbet with only his strong hand because of the fish in the pot ? Or you think he would also bet all his bluff because flop is pretty dry?

If you c/c flop, would you c/c again on this same turn ? and what about a river blank ?

Posted about 2 years ago

Pinko Panther

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Time Link to 00:04:26

Hey Grindcore,

If you are going to cbet this player, what do you think of cbetting slighty less than the 2/3 pot bet made here? If he's almost certainly calling and we want to room to play later streets, what do think of making it 3-4 dollars on the flop so that we can control the size of the pot but still play like we have some showdown value bvb vs an atc player?

Posted almost 2 years ago

Pinko Panther

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Time Link to 00:31:21

The Wire is my favorite show of all-time, by the way. Great shout out!! Grin

Posted almost 2 years ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:09:40

table 3 (bottom left) with ATs - would you ever consider folding the turn? I realize we have a pair + NFD, but it seems hard for him to be bluffing as that turn card either gave his flop semi-bluffs a straight or gave him a pair with which he's probably slow down, so our equity seems really poor.

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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Yeah turn is probably a fold. The T is pretty much the worst card to continue on.

Posted over 1 year ago

Lolatronshik

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Time Link to 00:27:31

Hello,

Bottom right A9o, you said he limp/raise value hands so when he is opening a hand its not a value hand with wich hand are you 3bet him? Are you 3bet A9o so you get called by worse(Ax,sc,Kxs)?

Posted over 1 year ago

Posiedon

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Hi Grindcore.A few doubts:

1) At 10 min top right table KQs:Why did we c/c turn rather than bet/fold???

2) At 17 min bottom left table KQo:You said you donked because it hits our perceived range very strongly.So is it ok to donk even on other mid connected flops like 9s 8s 6d,etc. as bluffs???

3) At 18 min bottom right table AKo:Why not squeeze pre because of the fish in the MP???Also why did we check back the turn???

4) At 27:23 min top left table A9o hand:When we check back flop are we calling on all turn???even club turns???

5) At 28 min bottom right table A9o:Why call the river there????It was a 3b pot and he can have many Ax all of which are beating us.What bluffs can we expect him to have???

Thanks in advance.

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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Hi Grindcore.A few doubts:

1) At 10 min top right table KQs:Why did we c/c turn rather than bet/fold???

2) At 17 min bottom left table KQo:You said you donked because it hits our perceived range very strongly.So is it ok to donk even on other mid connected flops like 9s 8s 6d,etc. as bluffs???

3) At 18 min bottom right table AKo:Why not squeeze pre because of the fish in the MP???Also why did we check back the turn???

4) At 27:23 min top left table A9o hand:When we check back flop are we calling on all turn???even club turns???

5) At 28 min bottom right table A9o:Why call the river there????It was a 3b pot and he can have many Ax all of which are beating us.What bluffs can we expect him to have???

Thanks in advance.



1) I was auto piloting because I was talking about the other hand. Turn is actually a pretty sick spot there since my donkbet should look stronger because of the fish involved, so I don't think I get called again by worse if I bet twice. And if I check I should probably fold since villain shouldn't have much air in his flop calling range and people at NL100 aren't turning made hands into bluffs there often enough to warrant a call.

2) As long as the flop hits your perceived range it's good to donk as a bluff.

3) Lol, I just clicked some buttons because I was talking about another hand Poke Tongue this is actually quite common in my videos and you can pretty much assume that's the case when you see something like it.

4) I can't remember the reads I had on the fish but raising the turn is probably quite good on a club since that often folds out 2nd and 3rd pairs etc, but gets called by the draws that we likely beat with our highcard. There are some really bad clubs but A9 kinda plays like 86s here.

5) I can't remember reads but at the start of the hand I said I 3b because I've seen him limpraise premiums, so AK JJ QQ AA etc are all very unlikely, and he's a fish so he could actually have worse aces (not sure why I said he couldn't). He's a fish. He could have 77, A2, JT, 72o for all I know. Re-watch the intro to the first episode of this series, it covers a very important concept when dealing with lesser players.

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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Hello,

Bottom right A9o, you said he limp/raise value hands so when he is opening a hand its not a value hand with wich hand are you 3bet him? Are you 3bet A9o so you get called by worse(Ax,sc,Kxs)?



Terms like value and bluff are vague and kind of bad for discussing the benefit of players. It's never so clear cut. EV comes from math, not from terms. I 3b because I might get called by worse, he might fold, and he might call and make mistakes postflop, be that folding too much or calling too light, and also to isolate since the players behind me are more likely to stay out of my way than when I flat. Either way I'm gonna make money here.

Posted over 1 year ago

Allermand_DK

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Time Link to 00:56:06

Interrestering hand the and interresting line you took with the c/r All-in otr. Wink But if you say he is polarized to bluffs and monsters, then you beat most of his missed flushdraws at showdown? is this a defensive line to avoid getting bluffed when you check river?

Can you adress yours DC-shorts at donkbetting? thx.

Posted over 1 year ago

Allermand_DK

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Well thinking more about it, when I guess you're c/r All-in as a bluff to get folds from mostly villians floating range that is beating you at showdown, and maybe also a little part of his valuerange(if he levels himself to think you have a monster? Wink I like the c/r All-in even though maybe it's mistake vs. this particular betsize from Villian otr, I REALLY like the idea, because now he is never bluffing river the donked into twice and checked to otr.

Great series by the way thx. I benfit A LOT. Wink

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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Interrestering hand the and interresting line you took with the c/r All-in otr. Wink But if you say he is polarized to bluffs and monsters, then you beat most of his missed flushdraws at showdown? is this a defensive line to avoid getting bluffed when you check river?

Can you adress yours DC-shorts at donkbetting? thx.



What makes you think I'm beating his bluffs? I have king high. I lose to all NFDs and AJ/A7.

I've already addressed the DC short in the comments on this video a couple of posts up.

Posted over 1 year ago




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