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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Two

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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Two by Grindcore

Grindcore plays 4-tables of 50NL with a hyper loose-aggressive style.

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  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 60 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Grindcore

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why do you call the flop 3bet? Is it because you think you have showdown value? I understand that you raise his weak bet but when he 3bets, he is likely to have a PP that wont fold at any point in the hand or A high, that beats you too. Do you plan on make him fold A high on later street ?



1) potodds. My outs are pretty much always good
2) he's often full of it (and not in the house way). A high doesn't play like that, it has SD value and will just get called. The min3b is polarized.

Posted about 2 years ago

cpau33

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1) potodds. My outs are pretty much always good
2) he's often full of it (and not in the house way). A high doesn't play like that, it has SD value and will just get called. The min3b is polarized.



you think he can min3bet random stuff with no showdown value in this spot ? would you try to move him off his hand on later streets when you dont hit ?

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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you think he can min3bet random stuff with no showdown value in this spot ? would you try to move him off his hand on later streets when you dont hit ?



I beat random stuff with no showdownvalue.

Posted about 2 years ago

cpau33

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I beat random stuff with no showdownvalue.



so you'll try to get to showdown, not to move him off his hand?

what I want to know is what do you do when you didnt hit and he :
A) checks turn
b) bets turn
with your plan for the river for this 2 options?

sry for all that questions but I tried to understand the right thought to have in spot like this vs fish.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Depends on the turn card, timing, sizing, etc. But surely there are enough scenarios where I end up winning the hand to justify calling a min3b in position. If you're not sure how to think about various turn spots, you shouldn't be calling the flop.

Posted about 2 years ago

cpau33

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Time Link to 00:23:23

between 26:40 and 27:00 of the video, you said something about the table 2 (A6s) hands. You said that he is aggro and that he probably checked back this 988r with a showdown hand.

Is it standard to check back something like 77-22 on this flop ? because I thought that you would cbet it (in vilain shoes) for value/protection (more protection because I dont think you get value from lots of hands ?)

Because you said in my comment from you ep1 that on a T42tt, you prefere cbetting a PP (55-99) than AK, which I understand because KK dont get called by worst (and no need to protect AK imo).

But is there a difference between this 2 spots ? does the tt flop change something ? Maybe a flop twotone gives you the chance to bet for value ?

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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between 26:40 and 27:00 of the video, you said something about the table 2 (A6s) hands. You said that he is aggro and that he probably checked back this 988r with a showdown hand.

Is it standard to check back something like 77-22 on this flop ? because I thought that you would cbet it (in vilain shoes) for value/protection (more protection because I dont think you get value from lots of hands ?)

Because you said in my comment from you ep1 that on a T42tt, you prefere cbetting a PP (55-99) than AK, which I understand because KK dont get called by worst (and no need to protect AK imo).

But is there a difference between this 2 spots ? does the tt flop change something ? Maybe a flop twotone gives you the chance to bet for value ?



This was read-based. Just because I think betting an underpair is better than checking it doesn't mean he's doing it.

When a player is betting a ton, and suddenly checks in a spot where he'd normally be betting, he's way more likely to actually have a hand this time than that he has air this time and that he actually had a hand all the other times. Especially if you bet polarized when checked to, which is very common, you end up betting ~80% as you hit the flop ~1/3 times and probably check back ~half of those, leaving ~80%. This fits the observations so far, so by Bayesian probability he's way more likely to have showdownvalue than air. If I had the opposite read, I'd not be betting the turn as his air might decide to take a stab at it on the turn and I can't really get called by much I beat when I bet.

Posted about 2 years ago

Posiedon

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Very nice video.Thoroughly enjoyed it.

1) At 29 min top right table AK hand:We c/c turn mainly because we felt his range is more weighted towards draws.So what are we doing on low offsuit cards on the river??I think we have to c/f because we rep a lot of strength by c/c 2 streets on this board so he should bluff with his missed draws.Am I right here???
For the turn c/c:
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Board: Td9dQhAh
Equity Win Tie
SB 54.81% 54.36% 0.44% { AQs-A9s, KJs, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, KdQd, KdTd, Kd9d, Ad8d, 9d8d, Ad7d, 8d7d, Ad6d, 7d6d, Ad5d, 6d5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, AQo-A9o, KJo, Q9o+, JTo, T9o }
BB 45.19% 44.75% 0.44% { AsKh }

2) At 29 min bottom right table A6o:Is the call there preflop standard vs a fish???

3) At 41 min top right table 33 hand:I didn’t get the reasoning behind raising the river clearly. Please explain it. According to me when he bets this small on the river its mostly for value and a value hand on that board is mostly a full house and at these stakes no one ever folds a full house.In that case wasn’t the raise unprofitable??

4)At 43 min bottom left table KQo:Again I didn’t get the raise on the river.Except KJ we cant get value out of anything worse.He can easily have 66,TT,KTs in his range.That is 8 combos.KJ too is 8 combos.So we have exactly 50% equity when called.Against all bluffs on the river we anyways win.So I didn’t get the reasoning behind the raise.

Thanks in advance.

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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1) Check calling twice on a wet board doesn't look strong as in never folding river. 2 pairs, sets etc likely put in a raise on the flop or turn. The double check call looks more like pair+draw like QJ JT NFD etc. The river is a very reasonable spot for him to bluff those hands. I don't remember the reads I had so I don't know if I'd call or not. Most people don't bluff rivers enough so it's best to lean towards folding against unknowns.

2) He's almost 50 vpip so far and opens only 2.5x and I'm on the button. There are also two passive players in the blinds too. This is an excellent spot to call wider. I could 3b it too but I'd like a slightly stronger kicker for that since if I hit, villain is very unlikely to pay with 2nd pairs since aces scare fishes. Ie, he'll fold T8s to barrels on ATx but not on JTx. I probably 3b A9o+ for value there.

To all players that aren't winning at NL50 yet: fold pre with A6o there by default. In video 1 I played more like you should probably be playing, so I fold hands pre that I could play profitably but a NL50 reg realistically couldn't. In this video I play like I think is most +EV for myself.

3) Every pair is a full house there so it's nothing special. Back in the golden days nobody ever folded any full house but we're long past that. His sizing makes me think he doesn't have quads so it looks more like 99 or 88. Those hands usually bet-fold river. He didn't because he's clearly playing back at me (just his preflop flat alone is evident) because of my image, but being played back at is very rare, especially at these stakes, so you should assume they're not until proven otherwise.

4) He's the same villain from 3). Think about that for a second. If you still don't get it, ask again Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

Posiedon

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thnx a lot for your answers.
I think i got the reasoning for the river raise on the KQo hand.We are raising because our opponent seems to think that we are reckless and has started playing back at us.So he'll call us down lighter.
Please correct me if i am wrong.

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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thnx a lot for your answers.
I think i got the reasoning for the river raise on the KQo hand.We are raising because our opponent seems to think that we are reckless and has started playing back at us.So he'll call us down lighter.
Please correct me if i am wrong.



That's the gist of it. He has both shown that he calls me much lighter preflop thus weakening his range, and has also shown that he valuebets river razor-thin and doesn't fold to raises. This makes valueraising him wider on the river good. I've also shown I cbet air, check turn and then bluffraise river, making a valueraise better too.

Posted over 1 year ago

Posiedon

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That's the gist of it. He has both shown that he calls me much lighter preflop thus weakening his range, and has also shown that he valuebets river razor-thin and doesn't fold to raises. This makes valueraising him wider on the river good. I've also shown I cbet air, check turn and then bluffraise river, making a valueraise better too.



thnx.i get it now.You are really good at explaining things.The day i move up at 200NL i am surely taking your coaching.Unfortunately i cant afford your rates at this moment Frown

Posted over 1 year ago

stonehoof

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Time Link to 00:03:50

You said AK has better equity on this flop than 55 because AK has 6 outs, but 55 also has 6 outs; did you mean hands like 77/88 instead? 99 I think would probably be close between checking and betting, maybe it's more villain postflop dependent.

Although 55 has slightly better equity here than AK against a typical BTN range, is AK only better for check calling because villain is likely to bluff A/K turns hence increasing our equity on future streets? (If that makes sense)

Your videos are seriously awesome Grin

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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You said AK has better equity on this flop than 55 because AK has 6 outs, but 55 also has 6 outs; did you mean hands like 77/88 instead? 99 I think would probably be close between checking and betting, maybe it's more villain postflop dependent.

Although 55 has slightly better equity here than AK against a typical BTN range, is AK only better for check calling because villain is likely to bluff A/K turns hence increasing our equity on future streets? (If that makes sense)

Your videos are seriously awesome Grin



Yes.
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Posted about 1 year ago

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