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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Two

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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Two by Grindcore

Grindcore plays 4-tables of 50NL with a hyper loose-aggressive style.

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Grindcore brings his talents back to the DeucesCracked video lineup. Theory and live sweats from 50NL to 400NL.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 60 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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doc.lemon

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Why? The only difference in how it plays is the absence of the pot button.


You will play regulars at my site, that I play myself. I also don't like the FTP software but that's minor.

it would also be nice if villains didn't know your SN in your future vids when you move up as they did in thinred line, which wasn't very good for the videos imo

Posted over 2 years ago

Grindcore

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I see that you addressed this at the end, but you still seemed a little unsure about what turn action is optimal here. What do you think now looking back on it?



The analysis at the end of the video was my opinion looking back on it Smile hasn't changed haha. Close spot. If you think something is close, do what gains you most information (usually not folding).

Posted over 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Bottom Left Table with the 65s;
If Villain only c/c the Flop he most of the time has a pair Tx/9x; whats your Riverplan if he would c/c the Turn and you miss your Draw? Do you ever 3barrel Bluff here, for example on an A/K or a Diamond?



I disagree about his flop c/c range. Most TAG players flat small PPs and suited broadways from the SB, so his c/c range is way more likely to be a draw than a 1 pair hand. That's why I'd barrel every brick. And he won't fold a set even if a draw hits so I'd actually give up on the scarecards. If he was a fish (like sitting down with $41.63) then I'd jam tons of rivers as his range has more weaker 1 pair hands in it + he's afraid to bust as it could be his roll he's playing with.

Posted over 2 years ago

Grindcore

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You will play regulars at my site, that I play myself. I also don't like the FTP software but that's minor.

it would also be nice if villains didn't know your SN in your future vids when you move up as they did in thinred line, which wasn't very good for the videos imo



The player pool at NL50 is so huge that it wouldn't be of that much use. + the regs can generally be catagorized into bland stereotypes which you see across all rooms. The types of regs you're playing on stars are also in my videos on FT. Also tons of people know my stars SN as I made videos at another trainingsite before I joined DC, and it's also stated on 2+2 on numerous ocasions and in my coaching profile etc. And even if I wouldn't be recognized, after 1 video I would be so it's not a solution.

For practical reasons I simply don't play on Stars as I have no money and no rakeback on there Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

PaperV

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Very nice video and explanations, thanks

Posted over 2 years ago

Prologion

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Time Link to 00:45:26

I know, in this spot you will almost never get a 3bet on the turn, but if it should happen, I guess that we B/F?
I anyways find that the C/R is pretty thin, even with the read that he can val.bet thinner b/c now he is IP and in the hand that had provided you the read that he can val.bet thinner, he was OOP and made a Blockbet...
I would not assume that he will necessarily bet here his 9x-hands b/c of our former note.

Posted over 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Just because our hand looks weak doesn't automatically mean it's thin. If he has 2p+ he'd likely raise flop on this board. Against a range of 9x Tx airfloats and draws I'm doing really well with T4, and it's also a board where I don't want to give him a free card so folding out worse is definitely a good thing. If he 3bets it's close. He could jam 9x for protection vs draw, he could jam draws, he might flat JT being more comfortable with his SD value. I might call a jam. In fact I'm pretty sure I would because it gives us the read too.

Posted over 2 years ago

beachbum

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You should not play over 4 tables if your current goal in poker is to improve and move up. If your goal is making money, improving and moving up has a higher EV long term, so if you're trying to earn some cash for your holiday next month go ahead and grind the way your hourly is highest, but usually it's most +EV to have improving as goal and thus you should not play more than 4 tables. 95% of players ignores this advice and 95% of players ends up being the stereotype close to break even rakeback grinding tagfishes that my entire style evolved around Smile



Hey Grindcore, at what point is it more overall +EV to play more than 4 tables than just stick to 4? In Leatherass' book, he talks about how over years of playing full time that "you will have seen so many of the same situations that your decisions will become mostly automated". Also, Jared Tendler goes on to say in a later chapter that less than 3% of all the decisions LA made at the poker tables required thought, but did emphasize continually focusing on eliminating mistakes and reviewing hard decisions. Are mass multitablers like Nanonoko and LA just freaks who are just exceptions, and we shouldn't strive to be like them? I'd like you to elaborate a little more on your quote.

Also, I'm sure you've seen lots of your students who are decent winners at SSNL but struggle when taking shots at midstakes. If you had to give a general piece of advice to players who fall in this category based on their common leaks that you see, what would it be? How were you able to get through this transition so quickly? What's the best approach we can take at and away from the tables that will help us the most become better hand readers and learn to exploit our opponents' tendencies? Do you do things like model hands in CardRunners EV or PokerRazor to find optimal lines, or do player analyses in HEM to go through opponents' hands filtering and trying to find their exploitabilities?

Posted over 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Hey Grindcore, at what point is it more overall +EV to play more than 4 tables than just stick to 4? In Leatherass' book, he talks about how over years of playing full time that "you will have seen so many of the same situations that your decisions will become mostly automated". Also, Jared Tendler goes on to say in a later chapter that less than 3% of all the decisions LA made at the poker tables required thought, but did emphasize continually focusing on eliminating mistakes and reviewing hard decisions. Are mass multitablers like Nanonoko and LA just freaks who are just exceptions, and we shouldn't strive to be like them? I'd like you to elaborate a little more on your quote.



Leatherass plays suboptimally tight so his decisions become easier. I'm sure I'd have no trouble beating him when he's masstabling and me being on 4 of his. He's basically advocating to be a robot and to try to have a default play for every spot. That opens you up to being crushed by observant and adapting players. By playing looser, a higher % of my decisions require thought too so it's not like I'm throwing away brain capacity by playing less tables. Take HU as extreme example of this. And because I get in more spots/hour despite playing fewer hands/hour, I also improve faster.



Also, I'm sure you've seen lots of your students who are decent winners at SSNL but struggle when taking shots at midstakes. If you had to give a general piece of advice to players who fall in this category based on their common leaks that you see, what would it be? How were you able to get through this transition so quickly? What's the best approach we can take at and away from the tables that will help us the most become better hand readers and learn to exploit our opponents' tendencies? Do you do things like model hands in CardRunners EV or PokerRazor to find optimal lines, or do player analyses in HEM to go through opponents' hands filtering and trying to find their exploitabilities?



NL200 to NL400 was the biggest jump in skill level I've encountered on my way up, so there's that. But the biggest struggle I see is psychological. Atleast half of my students that are in this catagory would beat NL200 if I'd have modded their software to make it look like they're playing NL200, only it's 400 without them knowing. I think everyone sees midstakes as kind of the ideal end goal, so that's where all those really good players they've been looking up to all the time are. So when they get there and some reg does something that's actually fairly ABC, they'll start getting paranoid because of all the possible things the reg might be doing in theory but what they were never afraid of at NL200, and FPS will ensue. Sure, you'll get outplayed sometimes, but this still happens so infrequent that assuming villain is doing what a NL200 reg would do will still yield the highest EV. You'll figure out the tricky regs in due time.

Posted over 2 years ago

Prologion

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I'd have modded their software to make it look like they're playing NL200, only it's 400 without them knowing.




do you sell this software?

Posted over 2 years ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Leatherass plays suboptimally tight so his decisions become easier. I'm sure I'd have no trouble beating him when he's masstabling and me being on 4 of his. He's basically advocating to be a robot and to try to have a default play for every spot. That opens you up to being crushed by observant and adapting players. By playing looser, a higher % of my decisions require thought too so it's not like I'm throwing away brain capacity by playing less tables. Take HU as extreme example of this. And because I get in more spots/hour despite playing fewer hands/hour, I also improve faster.



leatherass also said in a recent blog post that hes going to be cutting his tables back to ~6, since after playing a decent amount of live poker this year he realized how much he was missing by just being a robot. He also said that his highest winrate year was when he was only playing 6 tables.

Nanonoko is just an anomaly imo.

Posted over 2 years ago

Prologion

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Time Link to 00:47:31

do you make such underbets on 1-tone boards also vs. REGs?
I guess not b/c you do not want to rly underbet here also for value (Protection...)?

Posted over 2 years ago

Grindcore

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do you make such underbets on 1-tone boards also vs. REGs?
I guess not b/c you do not want to rly underbet here also for value (Protection...)?



I do it vs regs too. I mean, you fold out random air anyway so a small bet protects too. And you weaken his c/c range so your turnbet has more FE. And since this is NLHE and you never have anything, I rather use a line that works well with bluffs than a line that works well with strong hands.

Posted over 2 years ago

izaque

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Prologion

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So, I am ready with watching the vid and just wanted to say that it was another great vid.
Rly looking forward to the further parts where you also will play SSNL and then MSNL.
I also find it just great that you are one of the producers that rly answer patiently all the user-question - this is just how a producer should makea job and i rly hope that DC will benefit it to you stronglySmile

Maybe one last interesting question:
You have recommended to play fewer tables in general, when you wanna improve.
Of course I agree with this 100%.
But (I just assume you play also private fewer tables b/c of your LAG-style) how do you solve the problem in putting enough volume in it?
Have you any specific daily or monthly volume-targets?
Do you actually care about volume?

Posted over 2 years ago




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