BalugaWhale
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You get donked in to here 9.46 on T3 pretty big by a reg on a wet T76tt board. Do you like his donk here if he was semi-bluffing with say 88 and when do you think it is better than c/r as a semi bluff as it isn't a board you will always cbet? Would you like his line with something that pretty much whiffed completely e.g. KhQd?
Later in the video (27.54 T4 - we have 33 on A85tt) the same villain donks again on T4 this time on a little bit drier flop to a bit smaller size. It seems there are a few less semi-bluffs in his range. I don't think you noticed as you were talking about a hand on T3.
Do you read much in to this and how do you best adjust?
The reason I ask is that it seems like more and more regs are donking and Vs a wide btn/co range it is not often enough that you can do that much about it. I guess I answer my own question about adjusting as we can tighten our LP opening range but wondered if you had other thoughts.
I'll just say that if people are putting in money OOP with a weak range, we have a lot of options. And I'm not crazy about donking in either case.
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BalugaWhale
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Could you please explain why you assume his 3betting range is depolarized here?
And something I already meant to say earlier: Please turn on the 4 colour deck for the next episode.
Love the series so far!
Blind vs. Blind changes things.
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BalugaWhale
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Series is looking good so far, thanks.
Curious as to why you did not c-bet Q74cc as the PFR against 2 opponents and was wondering if this is your default line in a 3 way pot?
I seem to be c-betting these types of flops probably too often versus regs and was wondering how your line on the flop differs with a fish in the pot and what reasons we need to check give up.
Thanks!
depends on the regs and on my equity 
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Ass Get to Jigglin
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thanks for all the responses already Andrew, they are much appreciated. sorry, but i have lots of questions lol:
u say alot of players wont bluff on the blank, only on the action cards, so youd be more inclined to call if the turn was the 8 of clubs or something similar, and you begin to say something about leveling and that you should tie it in with something, but then got cutoff by the action on the other table. can you finish your thought on that and perhaps on what to do if your not sure what level your opponent is on? i.e. i thought that if your not sure whether your opponent is bluffing on what is considered a "bad" barrel card because that makes it a good barrel card ect ect, you should just stick with the math that says that his value range is greatly diminished when the board pairs like that. also, if the 8 of clubs falls, yeah thats a good bluff card, but doesnt it also legitimately strengthen his flop raising range?
u were also about to say something about what would happen on spades, T's, or 6's but got cut off again. can you expand on what your plan is on those cards (especially T's and 6's) for the turn and river?
If a T falls and he fires, how is that any different than the 2d? Don't you still have a bluff catcher given that he can still be firing with sets, KT or AT (tho less likely), and bluffs?
thanks again
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apv2009
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The hand with the set of 4's:
- The guy seems a fish, and fishes donk fold alot.
- The board as no draws.
- If he had an ace he can get value in latter streets (raise turn or river and still play for stacks, if he have an ace).
Consider the above, just calling the flop, shouldn't be a better line to get value from all is range (especialy from bluffs)
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D3rJack
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Hi Baluga, T4, you said, that the hands villain will call with on the turn, he´s likely to bet himself. I don´t really agree with this, because I think villain has a lot of weak pair + draw hands in his range like QJ,QT even T9 , AT might call another bet because they piked up a gutshot. And I expect him to check these hands back most of the time.
The only hands he will probably bet himself are 2 pair hands, TP (given his preflop calling range probably only KQ) or pure floats (but I don´t think he has a lot of pure air in his range for floating this flop).
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BalugaWhale
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88 hand
What worst hand are him supposed to call you? I dont see any.
what if he bluff raise you? can you call?
once he checks river also, he is very heavily weighted to things like either 55 or AK/AQ, which mayyyy call.
i dont ever expect him to raise.
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BalugaWhale
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thanks for all the responses already Andrew, they are much appreciated. sorry, but i have lots of questions lol:
u say alot of players wont bluff on the blank, only on the action cards, so youd be more inclined to call if the turn was the 8 of clubs or something similar, and you begin to say something about leveling and that you should tie it in with something, but then got cutoff by the action on the other table. can you finish your thought on that and perhaps on what to do if your not sure what level your opponent is on? i.e. i thought that if your not sure whether your opponent is bluffing on what is considered a "bad" barrel card because that makes it a good barrel card ect ect, you should just stick with the math that says that his value range is greatly diminished when the board pairs like that. also, if the 8 of clubs falls, yeah thats a good bluff card, but doesnt it also legitimately strengthen his flop raising range?
u were also about to say something about what would happen on spades, T's, or 6's but got cut off again. can you expand on what your plan is on those cards (especially T's and 6's) for the turn and river?
If a T falls and he fires, how is that any different than the 2d? Don't you still have a bluff catcher given that he can still be firing with sets, KT or AT (tho less likely), and bluffs?
thanks again
it doesn't strengthen his range if hes not raising many FDs, which i beleive most players consider standard at this point
T's and spades give me more equity when behind, and when im ahead im almost always still ahead. a 6 gives me more of a nut-ish hand if I expect him to have overpairs or strong T's sometimes
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i think people worry about this too much..preflop hand ranges aren't linear the way they are on the river. taking AK out of your 3b range or your 4b range in a spot does not mean that you are only raising hand better than AK, or that you are only raising hands worse. in fact, my point is that the complexity of how postflop can develop means that there really is no way to one dimensionally call another hand better or worse.
you (DC video watchers) should structure your ranges first with concern to balance, but once you know about your opponents you may have very good reasons for flatting AK or other high value hands.
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