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1byone: I haven't watched nan's vid, but there are a shitload of good poker players out there. IMO just posting a graph shouldn't be enough to get instantly hired as a coach, you need something more

I agree. Please read my long post on page 9 ITT and you will understand why.

You also mentioned something about confidence and no hesitation in his member review video. Again just my opinion, but a lot of my favorite video producers very very often admit they're not sure on a certain decision, but try to explain why x could be good, why y could be good, and why z might be better then all of them. Phil Galfond comes to might. I guess my point is just having blind confidence isn't the greatest.

I dont thing you got my point here. There is obv nothing wrong to reevaluate a poker decision and see other lines to take as long as its justified. You can be confident in a vid and still hesitating/reconsidering decisions. Thats the beauty of the game too. Thank god, hopefully coaches or members do it. My point was rather on the overall presentation skills because certain people do not feel comfortable to speak loudly, quiet passage, they stammer which consequently does not make the presentation credible. I hope you got what I meant now.

We have extremely high standards around here. I hope the extremely high standards we hold ourselves to, shown by the quality of work we produce every day, would get us a little bit of credibility to make decisions about who is ready to join the team. I think you would agree.

I was the one to review Nan's video. It was my determination that he does a lot of good things and understands a lot about poker, but he hasn't quite hit the mark for us yet. Like Krantz mentioned, I really hope that Nan will continue to refine his skills through doing member videos for you guys and then we can re-evaluate him in a few months.

Different folks who have been initially turned down by DC have taken it different ways. Based on Nan's comments in this thread, it sounds like he's taken this current rejection in stride and is using it as a motivator to get better. This is exactly the type of character we look for. Persistence. Drive. Hunger for success. If he works hard and continues to improve at the rate he has for the past year, we will call him up to the big leagues. Until the time is right, he needs to sharpen his skills as a poker player and as a video maker to shape his thought processes verbally.

I think Nan has potential. Let's rally around him and encourage him to keep working hard.

WoT

Yeah but it is his relative inexperience that's the attraction.

For all us starting off our poker learning journeys in the micros, the direct relevant advice and opinions of someone who in the last year has just USED DC as a vehicle to improve so much is surely gold dust.

It's obvious by the brilliant standards of the site and videos that all the coaches are professional poker players.

But they did not use DC to get there. Some will have been around in the fabled 'days of party poker' which I keep hearing about, others will have won lucky bad beat jackpots before playing live

I understand the desire to maintain standards, of course. I'm not saying you should make Nan a coach, but you should use his journey in some way.

It's inspirational. This is surely how DC will grow organically, its most successful members becoming part of its fabric.

There was a thread recently along the lines of 'oh, why are no DC coaches showing sick PTR results blah bah'. It's largely irrelevant but I believe the motivation behind such questioning is the thought 'who is doing or has recently done exactly what I'm trying to do?'.

What Nan has done is exactly what every one of your members in the micros/ss wants to do. So surely that should be our 'blueprint'.

Not so much in terms of making 100k, although that would be nice thankyouverymuch, but his attitude towards learning/posting etc.

I said in a tilting thread recently 'there is no variance in the accumulation of knowledge', which I've probably nicked from somewhere.

It is the process Nan has gone through to accumulate the knowledge necessary to beat smaller games and then apply it that is interesting.

Once he improves again and is thinking on a higher level, that might be lost.

I understand the desire to maintain standards, of course. I'm not saying you should make Nan a coach, but you should use his journey in some way.

It's inspirational. This is surely how DC will grow organically, its most successful members becoming part of its fabric.

There was a thread recently along the lines of 'oh, why are no DC coaches showing sick PTR results blah bah'. It's largely irrelevant but I believe the motivation behind such questioning is the thought 'who is doing or has recently done exactly what I'm trying to do?'

Thats really well said

To me a bad regular is just a fish with a hand chart.

Can I get this on a t-shirt?

+1

Yeah but it is his relative inexperience that's the attraction.

For all us starting off our poker learning journeys in the micros, the direct relevant advice and opinions of someone who in the last year has just USED DC as a vehicle to improve so much is surely gold dust.

It's obvious by the brilliant standards of the site and videos that all the coaches are professional poker players.

But they did not use DC to get there. Some will have been around in the fabled 'days of party poker' which I keep hearing about, others will have won lucky bad beat jackpots before playing live

I understand the desire to maintain standards, of course. I'm not saying you should make Nan a coach, but you should use his journey in some way.

It's inspirational. This is surely how DC will grow organically, its most successful members becoming part of its fabric.

There was a thread recently along the lines of 'oh, why are no DC coaches showing sick PTR results blah bah'. It's largely irrelevant but I believe the motivation behind such questioning is the thought 'who is doing or has recently done exactly what I'm trying to do?'.

What Nan has done is exactly what every one of your members in the micros/ss wants to do. So surely that should be our 'blueprint'.

Not so much in terms of making 100k, although that would be nice thankyouverymuch, but his attitude towards learning/posting etc.

I said in a tilting thread recently 'there is no variance in the accumulation of knowledge', which I've probably nicked from somewhere.

It is the process Nan has gone through to accumulate the knowledge necessary to beat smaller games and then apply it that is interesting.

Once he improves again and is thinking on a higher level, that might be lost.

Nail on the head.

He's already thinking on a higher level. What we don't want to lose is what he'd remember when he thought like the rest of us (so that he help guide us to the promised land)

Just came across this thread, props to DC. Not for rejecting someone, but showing high standards and not settling for anything less than great. I've always thought that they should actually shrink there roster and only keep the best of the best.

I'm sure blah is solid and will eventually land a job here, heck he's probably better than a lot of the coaches here now.

Terrible analogy (sry) but whenever you think of MMA, UFC is all that comes to mind for most people. It's an honor for them to make it to that organization, when they are not up to par they get cut and try and work their way back.

If DC has the reputation as being the industry's best (which they are atm) and having highest quality video producers, they should even increase their rates.

Well... We all want someone who thinks like us, or at least remembers because he was playing NL10 300k hands ago. DC needs that, just like MayContainNuts said. If Nan comes in 1 year he will be an even better player, probably playing the highest stakes against Isildur1, who knows. I don't need one more coach like that, we have plenty of them. Don't take me wrong, DC has great coaches, but I want someone just like me to show me the way.

hielko is a DC coach now, and he did a great series called Omakase where the 7 DC coaches had a week each with him

perhaps an omakase NL series 2 is in order..

hielko is a DC coach now, and he did a great series called Omakase where the 7 DC coaches had a week each with him

perhaps an omakase NL series 2 is in order..

Nice... This idea is amazing... I wish I thought of it

#3 He has a good understanding of what he knows and what he does not know. Most players watch videos and learn that way. That is fine if and only if you think about the content. Most people learn poker by heart - just like they would learn a math proof by heart; that is almost a waste of time. This requires that you are very honest with yourself.

... Improva, would you mind expanding a little on this and how to incorporate it into one's learning process? ...

If I knew a little more about your background it would be a little easier for me to explain it, but here is one example...

#1 Back in the days before science people believed the priest when he claimed that the earth is flat. As people got smarter and developed methods for checking the priest's claim, it turned out that the earth was not flat.

- so don't believe what people are telling you unless you can see that it is clearly correct.

- if you don't have the tools to check the claim - do not waste time by asking a ton of questions where you may or may not understand the reply anyway - sit down and learn what you need in order to check the claim yourself..

Edit: In poker the key is to discover under which conditions a claim is true.

Thanks Improva. Will give this some thought...

Thanks Improva. Will give this some thought...

If it is not clear then let me know a little more about your background and I will try to make another example.

I avoided this thread in the beginning b/c I thought it was just another one of those "Thanks DC" threads. But I just noticed the post count and had to check it out ...

Wow! Grats to you, Blah! What a feat, and a great thread--great advice GL in becoming a coach (not that you need it)!

Sick graph btw.

If it is not clear then let me know a little more about your background and I will try to make another example.

I'm pretty sure I see what you're getting at and understand. However, at the risk of passing up an opportunity to learn something, what background info would be useful?