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Poker Video: MTT/SNG by AMT (Micro/Small Stakes)

Hey guys, I'm primarily a cash game player but would like to get better at tournament play and SNGs just to have that skill set, would this series be where you guys (AMT and Bones) would suggest to start? Or should I watch some of the other stuff at DC first?

I'd say Last Man Standing is a good place to start from scratch, and real life sng grinder probably a good follow up.

Hey guys, I'm primarily a cash game player but would like to get better at tournament play and SNGs just to have that skill set, would this series be where you guys (AMT and Bones) would suggest to start? Or should I watch some of the other stuff at DC first?

... and of course the first two vandweller vids.

Listen carefully to what Bones says in the AQ spot, as a lot of the reasons are covered in there as to why you want to check back. Also, think about why you want to bet, and what your intentions are, and at the flop texture. This flop hits villains flatting range pretty hard. Due to this 'wet' texture implication, we're going to get check/raised a much higher % of the time on this board/in this spot than in other situations. So what you're saying is that you're trying to bet what might well be the best hand, but is still just ace high, which could have both show down value and reasonable pot equity, but will fold to a check raise (and often be lost when check/called), which happens a noticeable % of the time. All of this when you yourself say that hands that hit the flop are well within his range. Think carefully about the benefits of each line as they relate specifically to your hand, this board, the stacks, and all of the available factors that you have to you to make a decision.

Bones didn't say anything to my knowledge about AJ/KQ that would allude to preflop implications. He said that, in his opinion, villain would probably bet more with his stronger made hands on the turn. Both KQ and AJ should be folded preflop most likely in villains position here.

edit: running out of the house now but let me know if this doesn't help at all.

Thanks. That definitely helps I think. I ran it back a few more times and I think I'm beginning to be on the way to grabbing this. Here is what I have noted now. Let me know if I'm completely off base? sorry it's so long.



Pre flop he probably raises AA-TT, AJs+, AKo.
So he calls with 77-99, A9s-ATs, KT-KQs, QT-QJs, JTs, KQ-KJo, AJo.
FLOP:
When he checks to us, it rules out the flush draw. Most opponents semi-bluff there? So 2 spades not a huge concern.
99, 88, & 77 – he’d bet to see where he was and maybe take the pot there.
A9 – he’d check the flop hoping for an A or runner,runner for his straight or flush. Ace of spades/x is a possibility.
AT – He’d bet. My observation is SB/BB villains bet if the flop hits them at all.
AJ – He’d bet.
AQ – He’d check
KT – He’d bet.
KJ – He’d bet or check-raise.
KQ – Check calls to keep pot small and hope for straight.
QT – Hmm. I don’t know about this one.
QJ – He bets or check raise.
JT – Either bets or check-raise.

That leaves:
A9 – AQ – KQ – QT – JT
JT – Either bets or check-raises. ( If he checks, then we check behind and he has JT we could lose a big pot, right? Because his hand is disguised. If we bet flop, then he raised we’d know (or suspect) cheaper. But since this is the only option like this it won’t happen that often?) - but if we hit a King we’ll get his stack if he has this.

TURN:
When turn is an Ace, he would bet at least half pot with A9,AQ,KQ,JT. Only KQ and JT really hurt us after the turn. The weak bet is a poor attempt to stab at the pot since we checked behind so he probably has air?

So, checking the flop increased the value by 100 chips. If we just call the turn bet, he may take another stab on river? If he checks river, then we bet and maybe he calls to squeeze a little more out?

Needs more poker.

Sorry I haven't been around to answer more in this thread. There will definitely be more in-game discussion and hand play in the rest of the series. We just wanted to cover a lot of general things that newer players need to hear and some things that experienced players should always have in mind. IMO the stuff we discussed at the beginning in regards to preparing yourself, bankroll and tilt management, etc will have a greater impact on your earn than whether or not to check back ace high with 2x pot left.

Don't worry though, we will have a ton of tournament specific technical content in this series.

RE: Shoving over limpers

This video reminded me to get back to this and I've had a lot of success. I want to make sure I'm not mis-applying it though. Besides the read on the opponent(shove until he shows you he's limping with big hands), are there other factors that should weigh on that decision? Stack size compared to limper, stage of tourney, etc?

If one is getting near the money, they should pass up on small edges, right? What factors could shift this from a small edge to a big edge?

Thanks ! Love the series btw....I completely forgot about the "Thank you for the fish" song...hilarious.

I hope you guys focus more on structures than you do on stakes. This is both in terms of 18/27/45/90/180 tourneys and non-turbos/turbos. Less focus on the 9 man SnGs too, imo. Just my two cents.

I hope you guys focus more on structures than you do on stakes. This is both in terms of 18/27/45/90/180 tourneys and non-turbos/turbos. Less focus on the 9 man SnGs too, imo. Just my two cents.

Noted. Thanks!

Hi guys! Thanks for a good introduction of these episodes. I will absolutely continue following this. Keep up the good work!

Regards / Johan

Excellent vid! Looking forward to the rest of the series.

Hi,

this video series is going to cover shorthanded SNG?

Thanks.

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Hi,

this video series is going to cover shorthanded SNG?

Thanks.

Possibly. We're trying to cover a wide range of buyins and tourney structures. If there's enough demand I'll certainly do my best to get at least 1 6 max vid in there.

Possibly. We're trying to cover a wide range of buyins and tourney structures. If there's enough demand I'll certainly do my best to get at least 1 6 max vid in there.

Thank you.

I have a HH from my last shorthanded SNG. I made 1st place if you want I can email to any of you guys.

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A8s shoving here for 50% of your stack seems kinda crazy

A8s shoving here for 50% of your stack seems kinda crazy

A8s should be good enough vs. a lot of the hands that people continue to limp with 5-10+bb stacks in the middle game. These types of basically- value shoves that are still intended to just take down the pot as is but can be ahead even when called/aren't complete garbage hands are very valuable in SNGs and contribute a lot to maintaining your stack and attacking dead money in the middle game when the stacks start shrinking drastically. If he was in slightly later position or had just slightly more chips (1 or 2bb's), I'd go so far as to say that it'd be a pretty big leak not to be making these types of shoves over limpers when the money in the pot becomes significant and the opposition is failing to adjust their actions and ranges appropriately for the situation (Of course, I do still think it's a good play here). I'd say in the old days we had a lot more freedom with how wide we'd be able to shove over limpers in similar situations due to less trapping and even wider limping ranges + higher fold equity, but A8s certainly still fits the bill IMO.