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What's up Lemon. Can I call you meringue? How about ade?

If you "understand that being a winner =/= being a good coach" why is this question so important to you. What if the answer is no? What if the answer is yes? What if the answer is written in Kanji on a parchment on some dark shore and you have to be the Prince of Persia to get it?

The reality is that Deuces Cracked is a very close team of poker experts and they build relationships and foster a community atmosphere like NO other forum/training site. DC has experts in lots of games, not just 6MNL. DC has a lot of guys who are excellent players that don't care to put in a lot of volume for whatever reason personal to them. Some are surfing from Leo Carrillo to Pismo, some are making movies. The bottom line is that your question doesn't really benefit you in any way other than being able to say "DC does/does not have any 1m/500k winners in PTR-era poker". (this is where we all look at our watches and go back to doing whatever we were doing.)

So again, I'm not attacking you, I'm just asking you to question your question. I guess another good question for you personally would be do you feel like you've stopped learning from DC coaches? Do you feel like you are getting fed incorrect or lazy information? Stale information? Inferior information to other sites you subscribe to? If so send support some feedback and voice your opinion.

I'm done with my 6am rant Best of luck to you doc.

What's up Lemon. Can I call you meringue? How about ade?

If you "understand that being a winner =/= being a good coach" why is this question so important to you. What if the answer is no? What if the answer is yes? What if the answer is written in Kanji on a parchment on some dark shore and you have to be the Prince of Persia to get it?

The reality is that Deuces Cracked is a very close team of poker experts and they build relationships and foster a community atmosphere like NO other forum/training site. DC has experts in lots of games, not just 6MNL. DC has a lot of guys who are excellent players that don't care to put in a lot of volume for whatever reason personal to them. Some are surfing from Leo Carrillo to Pismo, some are making movies. The bottom line is that your question doesn't really benefit you in any way other than being able to say "DC does/does not have any 1m/500k winners in PTR-era poker". (this is where we all look at our watches and go back to doing whatever we were doing.)

So again, I'm not attacking you, I'm just asking you to question your question. I guess another good question for you personally would be do you feel like you've stopped learning from DC coaches? Do you feel like you are getting fed incorrect or lazy information? Stale information? Inferior information to other sites you subscribe to? If so send support some feedback and voice your opinion.

I'm done with my 6am rant Best of luck to you doc.

See, I don't get why you rant? Just say 'there are none' if there are none. Simples. Answer is no to all questions you asked in second paragraph, I can't see why you go on defensive?

And as for I want to know...
Long term online winnings in the PTR era are a benchmark for me because they are my long term goal and I am a PTR era guy. Frankly, I am obsessed with stalking big winners and I had just recently had the feeling of being star struck when the dude with 6Mil online winnings was was playing my NL100 with my regs. I feel the same way when watching WoT's vids for example.
Its my personal thing, and I always loved browsing A+ on PGT in BW, top CS clans winning stuff, or ICC cup A+ guys in DotA. Just my thing.



P.S. And its LemOn, DoC was a tag of my BW team (Dar One Clan)
I do wish them best of luck too even though the bastards switched to SC2

I'm not going on the defensive I'm just a colorful cat and calling my gibberish a rant was only in jest (hence the smiley face). I'm just trying to help you gain some perspective on whether or not you actually care about the answer to that question, and whatever the answer is, does that change something for you? Anyway just some food for thought. To sleep I go

I'm not going on the defensive I'm just a colorful cat and calling my gibberish a rant was only in jest (hence the smiley face). I'm just trying to help you gain some perspective on whether or not you actually care about the answer to that question, and whatever the answer is, does that change something for you? Anyway just some food for thought. To sleep I go

Yeah I do care a lot, even though I do know its close to irrelevant to how good of an instructor a person is (Best coaches of students with knowledge induce thinking, challenge the student and give him options so that essentially the student develops himself,from 'the inside' in my opinion).
Just like in BW it was dumb to replicate play of an A+ player because he plays different player pool, and he was most likely playing 14hrs a day not being able to communicate with human beings if not via in game chat in case I would want him to coach me.

Still. I do care and do want to know

None of them have even 100k+ winnings on PTR.

look harder, hielko actually does have 100k+

I think Lemon has a perfectly valid question. I haven't thought about this really myself, but it seems reasonable that you want to know how the coaches are doing. It's reassuring to know that a coach, how good he may be at coaching, is still doing the "right" things at the poker table.

Some ppl have the gift of speech and reasoning, it doesn't mean however that their opinions are allways right. That's why I can see that Lemon is possibly looking for some kind of "insurance" for that what the coaches teach, are right and up-to-date information.

Hitler was a great speechman, he obviously formed his opinions and prejudice in the most acceptable form to be taken in by a whole nation. Another great speechman, Socrates, managed to argue* that a person who does evil delibirately is a better man, than him who does so involuntarily(*in Hippias Minor). This however doesn't seem so rational when you think about it. I.E with good reasoning, you can turn the most irrational play into a rational.

I don't really see the point in FenderJaguars attack, even if he stated it was not, it does seem like one. To question someones question gets us nowhere. Seems almosta as the site would have too big of an ego to just say "no, we don't", if the case was such. A simple yes/no + some backup information would have been enought to close this argument. I'm sure alot of other players are thinking of this thing too, at least now.

It would be even for me, though I only play at the microstakes, a cool thing to see some of the graphs by the coaches at these levels. Even if I don't question their ability(mayby I should?). It all comes down to insurance. And as a loyal customer I think you're entitled to ask for some.

I think Lemon has a perfectly valid question.

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To question someones question gets us nowhere.

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I don't know the results of all coaches, but there are plenty that have 100K winnings (myself included) and there are also some with 500K winnings. Nolan (justforfunds @ stars) is one of them that I'm sure of, but would not be suprised to see NoahSD, balugawhale, FWF and WoT in this list.

I don't see what the big deal is to know who is crushing 6m these days.

For me, it would inspire me to know it is possible to consistently make 100K in poker. But, I start to wonder....is it realistic?

Then I have to admit to myself that I really must invest in a coach to get past break-even......but damn.....how many coaches (from any site) are making big money themselves (I ask myself all of the time)? How many coaches do not play much at all anymore?

Yes, my doubts are really about me -- and whether my own goals are realistic. I always look for inspiration in my teachers. Good and fair question from OP (albeit a tough one that comes up time to time).

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/justforfunds

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/syous

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/jongreenway

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/Hielko

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/WiltOnTilt

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/balugawhale

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/Vick+Is+God

so DC and PTR and buddies now?

so DC and PTR and buddies now?

I know right!

Also this thread confuses me.

Sweet links acomb.

would just like to reiterate that in no way was anything I said an attack. zero % chance. also disagree that questioning your own questions gives you nothing. it gives you a world of something should you choose to see it. cultivates thought process to begin with.