~7 86o top left
I'd actually lead out here as I bluff lead here quite a bit. Don't really get the thought process behind the x/r (sounds like you don't either).
~7 86o top left
I'd actually lead out here as I bluff lead here quite a bit. Don't really get the thought process behind the x/r (sounds like you don't either).
~8 88 bottom right
Yes, I agree with your reasoning to fold.
87s top right
Not sure if you forgot the action here but you need to cbet this really good flop for you 100%. When I say 'really good' I'm serious - villain will just straight up fold here a ton. Your turn bluff is good.
~8:40 A9o bottom left
I'd actually call this guy down (given how he's spewed BvB so far) on a ton of rivers but not that one.
A9o top left
Probably a stylistic thing but I check this PF 3 ways. Once you PFR I think you have to cbet even though I agree with your comments about the board texture (i.e., it's not going to work very often).
I'd x the turn given that you still have no hand, hate getting raised, the pot's not huge, you're probably taking rather than giving a free card, etc.
I have to take a break - this 4 table stuff is killing me.
I have to take a break - this 4 table stuff is killing me.
Wuss ![]()
I have to take a break - this 4 table stuff is killing me.
Thanks for the analysis so far! I didn't realize (when you suck) how much 4 tables full of action is to handle so next time I'll def make it 2!
Some of the cbet spots you mention were likely due to not paying attention else I def would have done so. I think that happens later on in the vid too.
When you lead out w/ 86o on A8x to balance your bluffs, how do you proceed when called? Raised?
When you lead out w/ 86o on A8x to balance your bluffs, how do you proceed when called? Raised?
When called I would tend to think they have some sort of light peeling hand - probably two broadway cards. As such, I would certainly bet again on any card below a ten. I would probably bet a T as well actually. Regardless, I'm pretty comfortable bet/folding there. In my experience someone who limps PF isn't going to be super intent on floating you in order to bluff raise the turn - they're just going to have an ace or better.
If raised I would give them a lot of credit. Again, I just don't think the player profile of a limper gets tricky very often post flop. All the more so on this type of board as ace high ones probably cause people to play more straightforwardly than maybe any other board type. I'd peel once and x/r improvement, otherwise x/f-ing the turn.
Okay, I'm done now and I realized I made some mistakes reviewing earlier. First off, I thought it'd be easier to just type stuff up as it happened - that was bad. I've collected all my thoughts and will post them into a single post after this.
But the more important thing is that I was kind of going over this with a fine tooth comb. I probably shouldn't have been talking about, for example, board textures where I'd lead out as a bluff. My focus should have been on less exotic stuff like:
1) A few PF spots
2) What standard lines are in LHE for various hands
3) Hand reading
4) Good value betting
and the like.
So...I'm going to post my thoughts on the rest, but first I'm going to post a general summary of the video / a few of my thoughts on your play. I'd encourage you to check that post out and keep it in mind as you go through my comments. It should give you an idea of the things that I think are more important (that is, the things that will help you the most).
Alright, general comments...
1) I think your single biggest error is that you're folding too much in spots where we should peel. I know you and I have talked about this before, but basically you're just NOT as worried about RIO in LHE as you are in NL. Even if you are dominated the amount you will lose as a result is limited by the game structure. There were plenty of spots where you folded the flop getting around 6:1 or 8:1 that just MUST be peels.
2) I think the second area I'd look at is PF aggression in marginal spots - especially OOP in the blinds. I felt there were a number of hands where you made marginal raises PF which then got you into somewhat difficult spots post flop. Never forget that LHE by nature is a VERY showdown oriented game. This dictates that a good part of your strategy simply MUST revolve around making hands.
In other words, feel free to pass on some marginally +EV PF edges that might actually be 0EV or even slightly -EV if they will get you into -EV post flop spots. Being OOP is tough, even if you're experienced.
Here's a quick example that I want to point out because I think it'd surprised even a lot of experienced LHE players.
~9:15 KJo top right
Two limps to us and you elect to PFR. I'm not convinced this is a slam dunk PFR. If anyone doubts this I suggest they plug in 50% limping ranges in for both players and see how our hand fares - the result may be surprising.
Incidentally, you made error #1 in this hand when you folded the flop getting 8:1. ![]()
3) Mostly since you asked about it - it'd be fine as a rule right now to say NEVER cold call if you're the first cold caller.
4) Lastly, I noticed your FTP is set up on what I think is called 'Racetrack.' Yet I'm pretty sure your HUD is setup as if you're in 'Classic' view. No big deal, but it does mean everyone's mucked cards show up like 10 degrees clockwise of where they 'should' be. It didn't bother me and probably doesn't both you either, but just FYI.
Okay, and here's the rest of my review. I also cut down on my explanations, but let me know if you want to talk about any of these spots more.
9:40 KJo bottom right
The PFR is fine
Again, call the raise getting 8:1
10:30 A9s top right
No, no merit to 3b the flop
10:50 KQs top right
I’d prefer to x/c after villain caps the flop
T9s bottom right
As you say, it’s a fold
I would 3b or fold there
11:40 65s top left
Please never fold this PF getting 7:1 closing the action
12:10 Q6s top left
Like the PFR
Not a huge fan of the flop 3b
13:10 JTs bottom left
Good river vbet – I’d probably call it off given his stack size (hope to see something goofy) and that I don’t see a ton of river improvement here (I’d actually expect to see a slowplayed flush)
14:45 Q8s bottom left
Yes, iso is fine here
At ~15 we see another limp behind candidate with the 33 (forgot to note which table)
18:20 K3 bottom left
See here I like your flop lead semi-bluff (I know I said I wouldn't talk more about this but I like to respond to hands you ask about specifically in the audio)
On the turn as you say I think x/c is better
20:25 22 on top left
Good river bluff and glad you did it in rhythm this time
The other hand where you got double counterfeit was also probably a good bluff spot but as you noted wasn't very credible when you tanked
~22:50 32o top left
Nice bluff, good rationale
23:20 A2o bottom right
Defend the BB liberally, certainly A2o
24:50 K5s hand you’re asking about in the replayer retrospectively
I’d probably give up on the turn – on this board texture it’s just an ace almost always
Also, please fold this hand PF
~26 T8o bottom left
Small pot and 4 ways I think a x/f is fine – you’re just very likely to be up against the one guy who actually flopped a hand
26:50 55 top right
I’m pretty much in 3b or fold mode here when only one guy is in the pot so far
The one exception I know I’ve mentioned to you is if I feel the BB is especially bad and I just really am looking for ANY excuse to get involved
And yes, flop x/r is very standard once we get here like this
And then yeah, I know you mis-clikced the turn, but plan to just call down the flop 3b (expect him to x back the river and you win a lot)
28:10 K9s top right
So this raise on the river thing has come up a couple of times – I’m not sure why…maybe it’s an NL thing I don’t really know about
But just raise this turn – you have the best hand, he might not bet again on the river, etc.
You asked what the difference is: we get in 3 bets either way ONLY if he always bets the river, and it's not a lock that he will. He's already bet the turn so when we raise here we get in 3 bets close to 100% of the time. In contrast, I can think of a number of factors that might make him x the river: he fears the K, he’s not good at value betting, your turn call kind of implies you have something / or a draw that missed and will now fold, an ace might fall, etc. As you pretty much will NEVER get 3 bets in (at least not 3 bets going in good) when he checks the river I'd view the chances with the river raise as significantly worse.
~29 A7o top right
Peel getting 6:1 with ace of trump
29:15 A2s bottom right
I have folded in this type of spot before and am generally upbraided for it
Here because it’s 4 handed and the guy is short I would NOT fold
Overall, well done. Don't interpret my numerous comments as an indictment of your game - I just like to talk about poker and can ramble on at times.
I'd be pretty shocked if you weren't already a winner in this game. It's good to see that you're capable of aggression in a lot of different spots and it's also obvious that your NL skill set carries over a good amount (e.g., having some card sense, actually thinking about hands and ranges, etc.).
Just a tip I guess, the max bets that can go in if it goes cap in all 4 streets is 12 big bets, so I would set the autorebuy that you have (I think) to 12, myself I sit down with 50 and never rebuy, lol, but I thats just me, granted it doesnt get capped in all streets like never, but if it does, you will want those 2 extra bets you never know.
2 tables next time ![]()
Pygmy nailed it, nothing to see here move along ![]()
Just a tip I guess, the max bets that can go in if it goes cap in all 4 streets is 12 big bets, so I would set the autorebuy that you have (I think) to 12, myself I sit down with 50 and never rebuy, lol, but I thats just me, granted it doesnt get capped in all streets like never, but if it does, you will want those 2 extra bets you never know.
2 tables next time
Noted on both ![]()
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